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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8 1947. the army air

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force's has announced that a flying bist

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has been found and is now in the

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possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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i occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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uh yeah today's thursday no today's

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87 days into the new year only

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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but it is beautiful in here

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to welcome everybody listening all

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around the world all across the united

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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this is fade to black for kjccr the game

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changer and on x networks racehobbs i am

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your host jimmy church

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what is kraken

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how you doing

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just tweeted howdy

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is that how you spell wyoming

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wyoming how do you spell wyoming

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i take it all back

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i got i got grant texting me right now

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grant cameron is our guest tonight very

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that was released by the black vault

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greenwald is going to be here and we're

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let's get everybody's eyes on this just

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know and and and i respect that i really

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it's okay grant you'll be just fine

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tomorrow night on the show right here

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tomorrow night because we have

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um we have jeff kingsbury here all of

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that tomorrow night in one show that's

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going on tomorrow and then wednesday

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don schmidt don schmidt is here this is

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the 75th anniversary of roswell

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uh july fourth week and i'll see

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don schmidt and i

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decided to we talk so much about

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roswell and and i have a really bad

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habit of just talking about things that

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whatever it is and so i said to don i

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let's discuss it all let's start at the

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brazil ranch

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what happened and and just work out he

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said jimmy that's the best i i haven't

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anybody suggest that in such a long time

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we are going to do on wednesday night

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and he is the absolute best to do this

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show so that is

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that's wednesday night right here

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thursday is another fader night with

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got a new coffee grinder today

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there you go okay

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i did i got a new burr grinder and this

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one is static free that's a tough thing

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you have no idea what a big deal that is

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i'm so happy about this grinder put it

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i mean like i got a new car right

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i'm not happy all right

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follow me on twitter at j church radio

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let's get straight to it

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over the weekend

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james fox sent me uh the first cut of

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his new film moment of contact about the

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vargina ufo contact event in brazil

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i watched it twice

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turned into about an hour without giving

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anything away right now i will say this

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james has done it again

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there's so much new information about

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this case that i didn't know before

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and it's an event that uh i've looked

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since it was first reported back in 1996

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and uh there are some truly intense

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moments when you see this film and you

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know exactly what i'm talking about i'm

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going to talk more about this in just a

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bit the first cut

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that was sent to me

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it's pretty much complete all the scenes

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are there

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have graphics or narration by peter

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coyote yet

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um which is better for me because i

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could just focus on the material

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and james told me that

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i'm just one of three people

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who have seen it

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and he wanted my first take as they

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continue with production

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and my take is this i cannot wait for

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the world to see this film

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it may be his best yet which says a lot

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seriously and i told james that myself

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today all right let's get to the

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breaking news

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taylor hawkins the drummer for the foo

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fighters for more than two decades died

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this past friday at the age of 50 in

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columbia the band announced his death in

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a statement but did not reveal a cause

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according to the attorney general of

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colombia 10 substances were found in his

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including antidepressants thc

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heroin

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and opioids there are uh

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other reports that were released about

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the autopsy and his heart

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was twice the size and weight

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of a normal

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human male heart twice

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so there you go

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incredible incredible i'm still torn up

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about that and

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i'm just gonna say this the show must go

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on but wow

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taylor hawkins dead at the age of 50.

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chris rock will not be pressing charges

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against will smith

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following their onstage altercation last

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night at the oscars

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the los angeles police department

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announced today and confirmed that rock

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declined to file a police report

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will smith walked on stage and slapped

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rock on uh at sunday night's ceremony

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after the comedian made a joke about his

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wife jada pinkett smith's shaved head as

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he presented the academy award for best

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documentary i posted uh the video in

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twitter

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and uh

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wow

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make of it

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uh i don't i don't it seems that yes it

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was real

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uh i think a lot of this ah asked the

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question if that was staged

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i'm not gonna

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interject uh opinion into a news

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segment but uh i kind of felt that you

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know you got two actors

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two comedic actors you know did you know

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and

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to see somebody like will smith

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completely come unglued

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in front of a worldwide audience to do

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something like that that's just the

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whole thing

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is mind-blowing

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it's uh

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just it just it just doesn't make any

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sense evacuations have begun on the

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azore island of sao jorge

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in the atlantic where more than 14 000

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earthquakes have rocked the region in

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the past week

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with ground uh deformation indicated and

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measured by earth observing satellites

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it is clear the seismic crisis is being

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caused by volcanic activity the is

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azores seism a seismo volcanic

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information and surveillance center

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otherwise known as civisa

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raised the volcano alert to a four on a

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five point scale

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in reaction to the raised alert the

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civil protection agency activated its

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regional emergency plan and is preparing

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to evacuate roughly 5 000 people from

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the municipality of velaz

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incredible down in antarctica

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an ice shelf nearly the size of los

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angeles disintegrated in mid-march

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within days of extraordinary warmth on

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the continent

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the conjurer ice shelf spanning

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approximately 460 square miles collapsed

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around march 15th it was around the time

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temperatures soared to minus 12 degrees

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celsius more than 40 degrees warmer than

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normal at the concordia research station

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here we go don't look up

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don't do it a newly discovered asteroid

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about the size of a house

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is passing close by earth right now as

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you hear my voice

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but you don't have to freak out the

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asteroid

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called 2022 fb2

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not f2b

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fb2

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is about 49 feet across the size of a

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house and will approach within 93

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400 miles as it whizzes by our planet

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all of this according to the nasa chart

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of asteroid flybys for comparison the

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average distance between the earth and

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the moon is about

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239 000 miles astronomers first

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detected 222 fb2 over the weekend

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on saturday

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march 26th

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now today's flyby follows on the heels

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of another asteroid called 2022 fd1

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that was uh

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are you ready for this

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just 5

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400 miles above earth

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last

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thursday

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march 24th

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during fader night that asteroid was

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discovered by astronomer christiane

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sarzetsky

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and uh who announced the find on twitter

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i posted uh christiane's uh twitter

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account to everybody earlier today go go

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and follow him

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he's the guy every time i announce uh

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an asteroid flying by earth that was

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discovered two days ago and everybody's

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freaking out

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that's the guy who finds it

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finds them all go follow his account

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he's absolutely incredible

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let's get this show cracking happy

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birthday to today vince vaughn

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used to be pretty funny vince vaughn is

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52

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reba mcintyre today 66

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and our dead guy's birthday today is

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milan williams

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1948-2006 died at the age of 58. milan

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was a keyboardist he was a songwriter

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and a founding member of the commodores

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who formed in 1967. he was a principal

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songwriter for the band writing their

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first hit the instrumental machine gun

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while on his way to a concert in 1980

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milan crash landed his

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single engine plane on a freeway in

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phoenix arizona after it developed

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engine troubles he and the commodores

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press agent lester mornay

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jumped from the plane before it burst

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into flames

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he left the commodores in 1989 after

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refusing to perform with them

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in south africa

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milan died of cancer at a hospital in

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houston texas on july 9 2006

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at the age of 58.

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on this day in history 1979

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at 4 00 a.m

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the worst accident in history of the

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united states nuclear power industry

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begins when a pressure valve in the unit

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ii reactor at three mile island

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fails to

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close that's right on this day in 1979

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fader fact

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here you go write this down

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granula

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g-r-a-n-u-l-a

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granular

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the first breakfast cereal

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00:24:00,149 --> 00:23:57,440
was introduced in 1863

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and to be able to chew it

435
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:02,400
you had to soak it

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overnight

437
00:24:08,470 --> 00:24:06,480
and that

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00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:08,480
is your fader fact you should do that

439
00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:18,230
captain crunch crunch berries

440
00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:20,950
soak them overnight

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00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:22,480
tonight we have very special guests

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00:24:27,190 --> 00:24:24,960
grant cameron joins us

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00:24:29,110 --> 00:24:27,200
and uh we're going to be discussing all

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00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:29,120
the world's ufo headlines tonight

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00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:32,640
including the uaptf classified report

446
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:35,520
released by the black vaulter tomorrow

447
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:38,320
night we've got alan b smith we've got

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00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:41,279
jeff kingsbury we've got john greenwald

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00:24:46,310 --> 00:24:43,760
jr all on the show tomorrow night

450
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:46,320
discussing ufos wednesday night don

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00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:48,720
schmidt is here for the 75th anniversary

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00:24:53,269 --> 00:24:50,080
of roswell

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00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:53,279
for roswell revisited thursday nights

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00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:54,960
another fader night with open lines all

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night long

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00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:57,440
and there you go now i'm going to hit

457
00:25:01,350 --> 00:24:59,440
this river moon coffee once again

458
00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:01,360
because it's

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it's extra special good tonight because

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of my new burr grinder

461
00:25:09,990 --> 00:25:06,559
my new burr

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static free

463
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:13,760
my old burger see this is the deal my

464
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:15,440
old burr grinder

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the

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charged

467
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:22,159
so inside of the receiving tray you pull

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00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:25,840
it out and it's all it's it's stuck

469
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:27,760
you know and then so you pull it out and

470
00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:30,000
it's staticky so it's just jumping

471
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:31,600
around on the countertop and i would

472
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have you know i'm just like man i'm just

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00:25:40,830 --> 00:25:35,919
done with so i got me a static freebur

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00:25:44,830 --> 00:25:40,840
grinder i have a ground free

475
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:44,840
countertop it's a good day

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00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:46,559
rivermoonwellness.com fade to black

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00:25:57,269 --> 00:25:55,510
so

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00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:57,279
james fox and i

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00:26:02,950 --> 00:26:00,000
were talking earlier today about brazil

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00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:02,960
the country

481
00:26:07,750 --> 00:26:04,960
not ufos we were talking about the

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00:26:10,149 --> 00:26:07,760
country and one of the things

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00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:10,159
mentioned in this conversation

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00:26:15,669 --> 00:26:13,200
was how many americans

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00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:15,679
have been to brazil

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00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:17,440
right

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00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:18,480
and

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a lot but

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but i'll take that thought a step

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00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:28,080
further and as of today

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the population of the united states

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is 330 million people

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okay it's an impressive number but i

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thought it was higher uh but but how

495
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:43,679
many of that 33 million not not in the

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00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:45,360
history of the united states let's just

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00:26:51,669 --> 00:26:48,960
go with today the people inside the

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united states citizens today

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00:26:59,350 --> 00:26:58,390
how many of that 330 million

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have

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left the country

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00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:04,720
and the more direct question is the

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00:27:08,549 --> 00:27:06,880
opposite

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00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:08,559
how many

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00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:10,799
have never

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00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:13,360
left the country

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00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:16,559
now i'm going to take a guess but

508
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:19,520
i'm pretty sure i'm close

509
00:27:24,430 --> 00:27:21,600
i'm close to the mark on this and i'm

510
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:24,440
going to guess that

511
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325 million u.s citizens that were born

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in this country

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have never left the united states

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yep yep i mean nine out of ten

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00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:38,480
right

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nine and a half

517
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:47,510
now let's take an another step

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let's take it a little bit further let's

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say

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one trip to florence italy for a week

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doesn't count

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00:28:01,029 --> 00:27:59,679
right or victoria canada right that

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00:28:03,190 --> 00:28:01,039
doesn't count

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00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:03,200
that's not leaving the country

525
00:28:09,029 --> 00:28:06,399
but an actual real trip or residence in

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say africa

527
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central or south america how about india

528
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:14,159
right

529
00:28:17,669 --> 00:28:16,000
now now what do you think that number

530
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:17,679
would be

531
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and my guess is that

532
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:23,919
it's very very small

533
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:25,120
people in the united states just don't

534
00:28:31,269 --> 00:28:28,320
leave the country what james fox did in

535
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:31,279
his new documentary is quite remarkable

536
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:33,760
because i can tell you with laser

537
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:35,840
perfect certainty

538
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:37,440
was that he

539
00:28:42,549 --> 00:28:40,240
he was the only american in virginia

540
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:42,559
brazil

541
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:44,480
when when he was walking around with his

542
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:45,760
film crew

543
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:48,080
he was the only gringo

544
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:49,760
i guarantee it

545
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:52,880
and it's this view of brazil in the

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00:28:58,870 --> 00:28:55,600
world that most everyone in the united

547
00:29:03,110 --> 00:28:58,880
states doesn't and will never know

548
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:03,120
anything about it's just the way it is

549
00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:04,320
now i don't know

550
00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:06,080
but i'm pretty sure

551
00:29:11,350 --> 00:29:09,520
that after james finished filming and he

552
00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:11,360
got on the plane to head back to the u.s

553
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,630
i got out alive

554
00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:20,389
again that's just the way it is it's

555
00:29:24,549 --> 00:29:22,080
just the way it is

556
00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:24,559
now i'm not saying it was a threatening

557
00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:26,720
experience not at all i'm sure that the

558
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:28,640
people of the city are totally wonderful

559
00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:30,080
but

560
00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:32,559
what i'm trying to say is

561
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:36,559
that until you experience life outside

562
00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:38,320
of the u.s

563
00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:41,120
you honestly don't have a clue

564
00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:43,520
seriously you don't it's not a bad thing

565
00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:46,720
it's just the way it is

566
00:29:51,430 --> 00:29:49,360
now have you ever seen those videos of

567
00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:51,440
people in the united states getting

568
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:54,880
pulled over as a video

569
00:29:58,470 --> 00:29:56,960
themselves arguing

570
00:30:00,070 --> 00:29:58,480
with the police

571
00:30:02,950 --> 00:30:00,080
right you've seen those videos right

572
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:02,960
pushing things as far as they can

573
00:30:06,789 --> 00:30:05,039
well i can tell you this

574
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:06,799
as an american

575
00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:09,279
try that crap in brazil

576
00:30:13,909 --> 00:30:11,440
or in any country in south or central

577
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:13,919
america pick one

578
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that will be the last day you are seen

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seriously and when you get released from

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jail

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first thought on that plane ride home

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will be

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whoo

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i got out of there live

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seriously this is not an exaggeration

586
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this is a fact it's just the way it is

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these are just some of the thoughts that

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went through my head

589
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as i watched fox's new film

590
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he was really pushing it i'm not going

591
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to give anything away here but

592
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:54,720
i think that he watched too many youtube

593
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videos of americans refusing to roll

594
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dude really push things out to the edge

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and honestly

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it's what he does

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he will do anything

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to get to the truth

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and moment of contact

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takes us one step

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closer seriously

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i'm your host jimmy church this is fade

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to black

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tonight

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right here

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on this very program

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grant cameron

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the ufo all-stars here i've got alan b

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smith i've got jeff kingsbury

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got john greenwald jr

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that's tomorrow night wednesday night

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hi this is rob reiner from anvil and

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you're listening to jimmy

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what's up i'm chris what up this is kyle

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welcome back fate to black i'm your host

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jimmy church

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[Music]

712
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:48,079
how you doing how you doing tonight

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00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:50,720
grant cameron is here

714
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:53,359
and we are going to be discussing a lot

715
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:55,680
of things tonight and i wanted to uh get

716
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:57,359
his insight on the

717
00:37:02,230 --> 00:36:59,920
recent black vault release of the uap

718
00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:02,240
task force classified

719
00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:03,359
release

720
00:37:07,030 --> 00:37:04,720
and uh

721
00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:07,040
there you go all right so that that's

722
00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:08,720
tonight with grant

723
00:37:13,510 --> 00:37:11,599
and uh here's the deal

724
00:37:15,190 --> 00:37:13,520
and i have just

725
00:37:17,589 --> 00:37:15,200
literally

726
00:37:19,990 --> 00:37:17,599
i am wondering

727
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:20,000
i'm wondering hey hey grant

728
00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:24,000
grant have you ever um saved a file

729
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:26,480
incorrectly

730
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:27,359
um

731
00:37:31,109 --> 00:37:29,040
have you ever saved a file and then you

732
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:31,119
can't find it and then you got to go

733
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:33,839
back and it's under another name and

734
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:36,480
yeah yeah yeah yeah well i just did that

735
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:38,000
live on the air

736
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:40,000
i just literally just did that live on

737
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:40,880
here

738
00:37:45,349 --> 00:37:42,720
normally i jump into

739
00:37:47,109 --> 00:37:45,359
grant has been a ufo researcher since

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00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:47,119
1975

741
00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:49,119
and was recognized at both the leeds

742
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:50,960
conference international researcher of

743
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:52,880
the year and the ufo congress researcher

744
00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:54,720
of the year that was a good year though

745
00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:56,640
that was a good year for you i was so

746
00:38:01,109 --> 00:37:58,560
proud uh

747
00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:01,119
to see you racking it up and and the ufo

748
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:04,000
congress that was just amazing he's also

749
00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:05,040
a

750
00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:42,880
of music

751
00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:45,440
and ufos do you remember that period of

752
00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:47,760
your life i call it the

753
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:50,960
the a hawaiian shirt period of of grant

754
00:38:54,870 --> 00:38:53,200
cameron and that still happens from time

755
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:54,880
to time it all started with phone call

756
00:38:58,950 --> 00:38:57,760
from uh our friend chris bledsoe

757
00:39:01,430 --> 00:38:58,960
you said i got a message from the

758
00:39:03,349 --> 00:39:01,440
guardians yes and i said really i've had

759
00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:03,359
three messages from different aliens and

760
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:04,880
that was i said really got a message

761
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:06,320
from me from him

762
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:08,160
and uh i'd had the experience with him

763
00:39:12,630 --> 00:39:10,400
at his house i knew it was the real deal

764
00:39:14,710 --> 00:39:12,640
and that's when he said oh they want you

765
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:14,720
to know the messages in the music yes

766
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:16,079
and i was like and then i was just

767
00:39:19,829 --> 00:39:17,920
thinking my father would just die

768
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:19,839
laughing if he knew this was happening

769
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:21,920
because i had no background in music

770
00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:23,280
didn't play music couldn't care less

771
00:39:26,710 --> 00:39:25,440
about music didn't listen to music and

772
00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:26,720
so that's why i said to chris i said

773
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:28,240
well chris you may be talking to the

774
00:39:32,230 --> 00:39:30,240
wrong guy because i don't listen to

775
00:39:33,910 --> 00:39:32,240
music i don't play music and then he

776
00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:33,920
said no no no no they want you to know

777
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:37,119
the messages in the music and then

778
00:39:40,790 --> 00:39:39,440
what happened then was i said oh okay

779
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:40,800
whatever i just sort of ignored him and

780
00:39:44,069 --> 00:39:42,240
that's when he said you should listen to

781
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:44,079
cashmere about led zeppelin and i go oh

782
00:39:48,390 --> 00:39:46,720
yeah okay whatever and then he the hook

783
00:39:49,829 --> 00:39:48,400
it's almost like they know how to hook

784
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:49,839
you in right because i have this thing

785
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:51,359
called the theory of wow where they drag

786
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:52,880
you into this stuff and it's controlled

787
00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:54,960
from forces that we can't control and

788
00:39:58,230 --> 00:39:56,800
that's when they said oh he said the

789
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:58,240
other one you should listen to is after

790
00:40:01,990 --> 00:40:00,000
the gold rush by neil young right and

791
00:40:03,670 --> 00:40:02,000
that's what i said neil young is

792
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:03,680
involved in this thing and i live in

793
00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:05,680
winnipeg manitoba canada which is the i

794
00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:07,680
joke is the place in canada that even in

795
00:40:11,190 --> 00:40:10,000
canada nobody wants to visit and neil

796
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:11,200
young grew up here he was born in

797
00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:13,040
toronto he grew up in winnipeg and then

798
00:40:16,630 --> 00:40:15,040
he went to california and that's what

799
00:40:18,390 --> 00:40:16,640
dragged me into it i said oh really and

800
00:40:19,910 --> 00:40:18,400
then i started looking at it and it

801
00:40:21,990 --> 00:40:19,920
turned into this thing that i'm still

802
00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:22,000
getting songs from people

803
00:40:26,069 --> 00:40:24,160
of this this idea that people are

804
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:26,079
getting these songs and downloads and

805
00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:27,599
and it fits in with the downloads from

806
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:30,720
nobel prize winners and art and and uh

807
00:40:33,910 --> 00:40:32,880
you know inventions and and this whole

808
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:33,920
deal

809
00:40:37,829 --> 00:40:35,920
that there seems to be the idea that

810
00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:37,839
i've adopted very strongly is that

811
00:40:41,829 --> 00:40:39,520
there's a field that has all the

812
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:41,839
information in it and it's the ability

813
00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:43,440
to tap into the field and certain people

814
00:40:47,109 --> 00:40:44,960
can do it and musicians are very

815
00:40:49,109 --> 00:40:47,119
right-brained so the idea is if you're

816
00:40:51,910 --> 00:40:49,119
very if you can shut down the

817
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:51,920
the the rational analytical left brain

818
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:53,680
you can tap into the field and musicians

819
00:40:57,109 --> 00:40:55,200
don't care they their their left brain

820
00:40:59,349 --> 00:40:57,119
isn't they're not analytical and

821
00:41:01,990 --> 00:40:59,359
rational they really don't give a rats

822
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:02,000
you know what about anything and uh

823
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:03,920
their right brain is fully active almost

824
00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:05,680
like roger lear who lived in your city

825
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:08,079
there who did the 17 alien implants said

826
00:41:12,309 --> 00:41:10,640
he had 250 alien implants that are all

827
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:12,319
on the left side of the body which is

828
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:14,240
run by the right brain and that's when

829
00:41:16,950 --> 00:41:15,680
they asked him what's common between all

830
00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:16,960
experiences he said they're all right

831
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:18,480
brain creative people and there's piles

832
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:20,720
of them here in hollywood now

833
00:41:26,309 --> 00:41:23,200
but the question is

834
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:26,319
can you dance

835
00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:28,880
i know i definitely can't you definitely

836
00:41:32,630 --> 00:41:31,040
can't do that i wonder if i'm actually

837
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:32,640
i'm actually very left-brained i think

838
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:35,280
i'm i'm more the whole ufo thing to me

839
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:36,720
is always being

840
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:38,960
a chess game it's been i was very very

841
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:40,480
good as a kid playing chess i stopped

842
00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:42,000
playing chess when i was about maybe

843
00:41:46,069 --> 00:41:44,079
grade six because i i hated to lose i

844
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:46,079
just didn't want to lose right and but i

845
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:48,400
was paying at a very high level

846
00:41:53,109 --> 00:41:51,599
and so when i had the experience in 75

847
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:53,119
um i couldn't figure it out and i knew

848
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:54,800
somebody knew what was going on and to

849
00:41:59,910 --> 00:41:57,119
me it just puzzled me why this small

850
00:42:02,150 --> 00:41:59,920
town in the middle of nowhere had this

851
00:42:04,309 --> 00:42:02,160
ufo there for a year and it just puzzled

852
00:42:06,069 --> 00:42:04,319
me and it drove me nuts and i said i'm

853
00:42:07,750 --> 00:42:06,079
going to figure this out i i don't

854
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:07,760
really care about what other people see

855
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:09,440
or what happens i'm going to figure out

856
00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:10,800
what that's going on and to me it's like

857
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:12,880
a chess game so i watch every single

858
00:42:15,910 --> 00:42:14,560
move and then we can get into this thing

859
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:15,920
tonight what i think is actually going

860
00:42:21,990 --> 00:42:18,960
on i watch the moves that are happening

861
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:22,000
and you go in open-minded you you you're

862
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:23,680
not skeptical you're not gullible you

863
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:24,960
just sit there and you look at the board

864
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:26,960
and you watch the pieces moving around

865
00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:29,040
and you do not move a piece until you

866
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:30,880
know why that piece on the other side of

867
00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:32,480
the board was moved and that's where

868
00:42:36,870 --> 00:42:35,200
i've always had this this contention

869
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:36,880
that a lot of what's going on now has

870
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:39,280
been planned many many years and and

871
00:42:43,030 --> 00:42:41,280
it's been happening and i see things

872
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:43,040
happening in the background

873
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:45,119
that people people just look at the

874
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:46,400
surface of it they just sort of see the

875
00:42:50,230 --> 00:42:47,920
piece moving oh that's cool and they

876
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:50,240
move a piece or whatever but um i was

877
00:42:53,589 --> 00:42:51,359
thinking about this when you asked me

878
00:42:56,309 --> 00:42:53,599
about this new report that came out and

879
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:56,319
the analogy i would use is is there's

880
00:43:01,589 --> 00:42:58,640
there's a video on the internet

881
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:01,599
um and it's called um

882
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:03,440
the monkey business illusion it's one

883
00:43:07,510 --> 00:43:05,920
minute and 41 seconds and it's a it's a

884
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:07,520
it's a thing that i think fits into

885
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:09,280
what's going on today

886
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:12,000
so what the what this this video shows

887
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:14,480
is they have six girls three of them are

888
00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:16,720
in in red shirt and white shirts and

889
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:18,800
three are in black shirts and what the

890
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:20,720
instructions are they've got a each of

891
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:22,800
them has a basketball and the white

892
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,400
girls are passing the basketball back

893
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:26,400
and forth and the the black girls and

894
00:43:29,430 --> 00:43:28,079
yet they're circling in this circle in

895
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:29,440
and out and and

896
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:32,640
and so they say on this thing okay count

897
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:34,560
how many times the white the girls in

898
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:36,720
white pass the basketball and so you

899
00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:38,160
watch this whole video in one minute and

900
00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:40,319
41 seconds and then at the end they say

901
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:42,079
how many times was it and and you and of

902
00:43:46,150 --> 00:43:43,760
course everybody goes 16. they passed

903
00:43:47,829 --> 00:43:46,160
the ball 16 times and then they say did

904
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:47,839
you see the big giant gorilla that

905
00:43:51,589 --> 00:43:49,280
walked into the middle of these girls

906
00:43:53,670 --> 00:43:51,599
and pounded his chest and everybody and

907
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:53,680
half the people say no i didn't see it

908
00:43:56,710 --> 00:43:55,040
right so when you were asking me about

909
00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:56,720
this i remember this video and this is

910
00:44:00,630 --> 00:43:59,040
the idea is that there's stuff happening

911
00:44:02,150 --> 00:44:00,640
in the middle of what's happening and

912
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:02,160
people aren't seeing it

913
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:05,760
so i i i ca and my assumption my two

914
00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:07,520
people that i would say one is jim

915
00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:09,440
semivan is is one of the gorillas that's

916
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:10,400
in the middle and nobody's paying

917
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:13,520
attention what's going on and uh

918
00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:15,119
kirsten gilbrant is the other one that

919
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:16,480
nobody's really paying attention to why

920
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:18,240
this is actually happening so i watched

921
00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:19,680
this video and there's a new one out and

922
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:21,119
these three these girls are doing this

923
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:22,960
thing and then i said oh yeah now you

924
00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:24,640
can see it once you you know you can see

925
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:26,240
the gorilla very easily he's in there

926
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:28,079
and and then they said okay so you saw

927
00:44:31,990 --> 00:44:30,240
the thing did you see the the curtain

928
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:32,000
there's a curtain in behind the curtain

929
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:35,119
changes from bright red to bright uh

930
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:36,960
gold i didn't see it and then they said

931
00:44:41,109 --> 00:44:38,560
did you realize that one of the bla the

932
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:41,119
girls in block leaves the game and i

933
00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:42,400
didn't realize that either and that's

934
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:44,000
the thing is whatever we're told to

935
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:46,880
focus on is what we focus on and there's

936
00:44:49,510 --> 00:44:48,160
stuff happening in the background that

937
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:49,520
we're not seeing

938
00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:51,119
and so that's where i pay a lot of

939
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:52,400
attention to

940
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:53,760
to what's going on like you mentioned

941
00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:55,440
this thing about you want to talk about

942
00:45:00,150 --> 00:44:58,160
the the recent disclosure that that had

943
00:45:02,829 --> 00:45:00,160
come out of the black vault with with

944
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:02,839
the the classified report sort of being

945
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:05,599
made semi-public where they're giving us

946
00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:07,680
what was in the classified report

947
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:08,480
and

948
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:09,440
uh

949
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:11,040
john greenwald didn't has done an

950
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:12,560
excellent job i remember when he was

951
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:14,400
when he first started he was 14 15 years

952
00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:16,560
old whatever he contacted me about

953
00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:18,640
filing foias and stuff and i i talked to

954
00:45:22,390 --> 00:45:20,400
him when he first started he's done a

955
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:22,400
fantastic job and he now he did this

956
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:23,920
this report

957
00:45:29,589 --> 00:45:27,680
where he he does a um a mandatory review

958
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:29,599
like a classification review so you can

959
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:31,440
any document that's classified you can

960
00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:33,839
ask for it to be reviewed again

961
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:35,520
i actually have one

962
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:39,119
that i filed in 2018

963
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:41,760
and it's an fbi

964
00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:42,720
um

965
00:45:49,589 --> 00:45:47,680
know back you within the day bill moore

966
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:49,599
and stanton friedman both filed for

967
00:45:55,349 --> 00:45:52,000
their freedom of information act on

968
00:45:56,710 --> 00:45:55,359
their fbi report in 1988 so stan got his

969
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:56,720
and there was there was a bunch of pages

970
00:46:04,710 --> 00:45:59,119
missing but bill moore's

971
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:04,720
is 61 pages and 55 pages are withheld in

972
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:07,680
total no words nothing in total

973
00:46:12,069 --> 00:46:10,640
b1 exemption national security so i did

974
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:12,079
exactly what john did i probably don't

975
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:14,160
do it as well as john because i filed a

976
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:16,079
mandatory review of that document i said

977
00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:18,480
it's like you know 40 years

978
00:46:22,230 --> 00:46:20,079
30 years now

979
00:46:24,550 --> 00:46:22,240
it's time to review this document to see

980
00:46:26,230 --> 00:46:24,560
what is in this 55 pages what was bill

981
00:46:27,750 --> 00:46:26,240
moore actually doing what was going on

982
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:27,760
there and then they came back and said

983
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:29,119
well you didn't provide enough material

984
00:46:32,470 --> 00:46:30,640
i actually provided them the front page

985
00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:32,480
of the of the foia

986
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:33,760
and they said and i said what do you

987
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:35,760
mean you know you got the number you got

988
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:37,200
the bill more's name on there the whole

989
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:39,920
thing so i sent them the entire foia

990
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:41,520
which is about seven pages that they

991
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:43,839
released out of this 61 pages and i'm

992
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:45,359
still waiting after four years for this

993
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:48,640
mandatory review so john got he seems to

994
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:50,880
know how this this game has played and

995
00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:53,920
he's done a fantastic job and um

996
00:46:57,990 --> 00:46:56,560
i i applaud him for forgetting this and

997
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:58,000
i think we're basically having these

998
00:47:02,150 --> 00:47:00,079
things unravel but we the only thing i

999
00:47:03,589 --> 00:47:02,160
would warn is that we can't get into the

1000
00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:03,599
144.

1001
00:47:07,589 --> 00:47:05,680
uh people are sort of into this thing

1002
00:47:09,910 --> 00:47:07,599
where i when i was young i used to

1003
00:47:11,589 --> 00:47:09,920
collect matchbook covers and i had the

1004
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:11,599
bigger i probably have the biggest

1005
00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:12,960
collection of

1006
00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:14,720
hotels motels in the world because

1007
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:16,480
nobody has collections anymore and i

1008
00:47:19,829 --> 00:47:18,160
have three thousand holiday ends and

1009
00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:19,839
what we're the problem i think we have

1010
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:21,760
in ufology sometimes is we're like

1011
00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:22,880
collecting stamps or collecting

1012
00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:24,240
matchbook covers we're collecting this

1013
00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:25,920
stuff so people are getting wrapped up

1014
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:28,160
in the 144 sightings

1015
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:30,640
and instead of realizing what's going on

1016
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:32,400
actually going on behind the scenes if

1017
00:47:35,910 --> 00:47:34,160
you actually look at some of the stuff

1018
00:47:37,990 --> 00:47:35,920
that people are saying in the background

1019
00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:38,000
you realize that this may have all been

1020
00:47:43,589 --> 00:47:40,960
planned in fact i was told that in 2016

1021
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:43,599
when i was talking to people in 2016

1022
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:46,079
before i wrote managing magic in 2017

1023
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:47,839
they told me all the stuff that is

1024
00:47:51,109 --> 00:47:49,440
happening now they told me it's going to

1025
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:51,119
happen high level people are going to

1026
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:52,800
come forward they're going to say ufos

1027
00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:54,000
exist and they're going to force

1028
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:55,760
disclosure uh

1029
00:48:01,270 --> 00:47:59,280
hal palvin meyer from from nasa uh

1030
00:48:03,430 --> 00:48:01,280
actually stated there was a time period

1031
00:48:04,630 --> 00:48:03,440
i think he stated eight year time period

1032
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:04,640
that they were gonna they're gonna

1033
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:06,640
unravel this thing so when i look at the

1034
00:48:13,270 --> 00:48:09,760
144 when i see these reports i realize

1035
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:13,280
that that that um this stuff is actually

1036
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:14,800
a lot more planned than people think and

1037
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:16,880
if you listen to jim semivan who i think

1038
00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:17,920
is the guy that everybody should be

1039
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:20,000
listening to because if you realize jim

1040
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:23,280
semivan is not he's not a gs government

1041
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:26,319
employee he's an sis employee so if you

1042
00:48:32,630 --> 00:48:29,280
converted over to military he's like a

1043
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:32,640
general in in in in rank he's a very

1044
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:34,960
powerful guy and i can even give you a

1045
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:37,520
quote which which will uh

1046
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:38,960
give you an example man i don't know if

1047
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:40,800
you've heard this so

1048
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:42,400
jim sim van is now running around

1049
00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:44,160
talking and i think he's the guy that

1050
00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:46,000
needs to do it because i'm saying he was

1051
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:48,640
the guy before i remember in 2016 when i

1052
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:50,000
first discovered who he was i was

1053
00:48:52,790 --> 00:48:51,119
talking to two of his friends and he

1054
00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:52,800
told me about this guy and they didn't

1055
00:48:56,950 --> 00:48:54,319
give me enough details but i figured out

1056
00:48:59,349 --> 00:48:56,960
who it was and i and and i put it to dan

1057
00:49:01,670 --> 00:48:59,359
smith if you know who dan smith is ron

1058
00:49:03,910 --> 00:49:01,680
pandolf's buddy and i said can you ask

1059
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:03,920
ron pandolfi about jim semivan this is

1060
00:49:08,549 --> 00:49:06,480
like 2016. and he said well i don't ask

1061
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:08,559
ron questions and i said okay whatever

1062
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:10,720
you know and then next day on open minds

1063
00:49:13,349 --> 00:49:11,760
forum you know how they used to drop

1064
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:13,359
this stuff on open minds form there's

1065
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:15,599
dan smith and he said grant cameron says

1066
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:18,240
uh jim semivan is one of the key players

1067
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:19,599
in this game or whatever he put or

1068
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:22,240
whatever and i go oh my god i just outed

1069
00:49:27,030 --> 00:49:24,720
jim semivan and uh so i'm sitting there

1070
00:49:30,069 --> 00:49:27,040
and within hours it was taken off of

1071
00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:30,079
open minds form and he dan posted ron

1072
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:33,200
told me to get this off immediately and

1073
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:36,480
he said he said um quit posting lies

1074
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:37,760
from loons

1075
00:49:41,829 --> 00:49:39,520
and so um

1076
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:41,839
it was pulled down and then i was

1077
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:43,040
talking to dan he said you got gotta

1078
00:49:46,390 --> 00:49:44,400
quit talking about him

1079
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:46,400
he doesn't exist ron says he doesn't

1080
00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:48,480
exist i said he exists no no ron says

1081
00:49:51,670 --> 00:49:50,000
you're making this bad you you should

1082
00:49:52,870 --> 00:49:51,680
quit talking about him and then another

1083
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:52,880
assistant

1084
00:49:58,870 --> 00:49:58,000
and said to me well uh jim semivan does

1085
00:50:00,790 --> 00:49:58,880
exist

1086
00:50:02,069 --> 00:50:00,800
but that's not his real name and i said

1087
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:02,079
that is his real name he said no it

1088
00:50:06,230 --> 00:50:03,760
doesn't it's not his real name and i'm

1089
00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:06,240
going why are they covering

1090
00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:08,000
for jim simvan what is the deal it's

1091
00:50:12,390 --> 00:50:10,480
like i hit a nerve inside ron pandolfi

1092
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:12,400
and whoever he works for and they were

1093
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:14,000
furious about this semivans i always

1094
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:15,839
knew semivan was the guy

1095
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:18,240
so here's what what semi-van said here's

1096
00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:20,400
a quote they basically came out and said

1097
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:21,520
he's talking about how the government

1098
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:23,040
handled it they basically came out and

1099
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:24,800
said you know they're just going to make

1100
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:26,559
fun of people who believe in uaps and

1101
00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:28,640
ufos and all this kind of stuff and they

1102
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:30,559
shouldn't have done that

1103
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:32,880
it was actually one of the reasons why a

1104
00:50:38,069 --> 00:50:36,079
lot of us in unofficial government

1105
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:38,079
workers decided

1106
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:41,839
were going to go out we're going to take

1107
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:44,160
this thing private

1108
00:50:49,349 --> 00:50:47,040
i told the highest levels of government

1109
00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:49,359
that's what we're going to be doing

1110
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:51,680
because they can't seem to get this out

1111
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:54,079
i don't know why i've talked with them

1112
00:50:59,030 --> 00:50:56,160
but they can't get it out and none of

1113
00:51:00,790 --> 00:50:59,040
them had any issues with us doing this

1114
00:51:03,510 --> 00:51:00,800
they didn't have any issues with tom

1115
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:03,520
delong i mean it was just and here's a

1116
00:51:06,309 --> 00:51:05,200
quote this is exactly what the canadians

1117
00:51:09,750 --> 00:51:06,319
were told

1118
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:09,760
the the wilbur smith was told in 1950

1119
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:11,520
when he put in the top secret request

1120
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:13,920
for a study with the canadian government

1121
00:51:18,069 --> 00:51:16,400
this is what what he was told by

1122
00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:18,079
high-level government officials when he

1123
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:20,480
said he's going public they said

1124
00:51:24,549 --> 00:51:22,960
go ahead with it and keep us posted

1125
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:24,559
so this is the thing and this is the

1126
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:26,800
question is so so i see jim semivan is

1127
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:27,839
the girl that comes in everybody's

1128
00:51:31,349 --> 00:51:29,760
counting the ufo and how many sightings

1129
00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:31,359
we have and all this kind of stuff and

1130
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:33,280
in behind the scenes there's all these

1131
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:35,680
these these stories that there are these

1132
00:51:38,950 --> 00:51:37,920
people that are that are in there

1133
00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:38,960
who are

1134
00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:40,559
uh basically

1135
00:51:42,790 --> 00:51:41,440
uh

1136
00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:42,800
helping to manipulate this thing and

1137
00:51:47,109 --> 00:51:44,720
there may actually be a time as this

1138
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:47,119
thing unravels even when jim when we

1139
00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:49,040
interviewed jim during this period went

1140
00:51:53,270 --> 00:51:51,760
from 2017 on uh melinda leslie was

1141
00:51:55,589 --> 00:51:53,280
talking to him constantly and he kept

1142
00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:55,599
saying we're we're moving this thing to

1143
00:51:59,510 --> 00:51:57,520
congress uh don't mess with the money

1144
00:52:02,230 --> 00:51:59,520
all this kind of stuff that all happened

1145
00:52:04,309 --> 00:52:02,240
and you see this this whole deal maybe a

1146
00:52:06,470 --> 00:52:04,319
lot more planned than i think we have

1147
00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:06,480
and you start to see even like like uh

1148
00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:08,640
with gilbrandt nobody's even looked at

1149
00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:10,160
who this woman is when you start looking

1150
00:52:14,549 --> 00:52:12,640
at who she is you go oh my god and then

1151
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:14,559
you start to realize something maybe

1152
00:52:18,549 --> 00:52:16,240
going on in the background that's a

1153
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:18,559
little more um control than what we

1154
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:19,920
think it is

1155
00:52:24,309 --> 00:52:21,839
you

1156
00:52:25,190 --> 00:52:24,319
back in 2016

1157
00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:25,200
you

1158
00:52:37,589 --> 00:52:35,680
church that

1159
00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:37,599
we need to focus on what is going on

1160
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:38,400
here

1161
00:52:43,990 --> 00:52:42,160
and for them to try to bury who semi-van

1162
00:52:44,950 --> 00:52:44,000
was you know saying it wasn't his real

1163
00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:44,960
name

1164
00:52:48,630 --> 00:52:46,400
then of course

1165
00:52:52,470 --> 00:52:48,640
uh ttsa which i want to circle back to

1166
00:52:54,069 --> 00:52:52,480
in just a second but you ended up uh

1167
00:52:55,750 --> 00:52:54,079
in contact with somebody that wasn't

1168
00:52:57,910 --> 00:52:55,760
supposed to exist

1169
00:53:00,309 --> 00:52:57,920
right explain that yeah well i've never

1170
00:53:02,950 --> 00:53:00,319
i've never i've said my first book was

1171
00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:02,960
1990. that's when we did ufos mj12 in

1172
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:05,200
the government and that was when i first

1173
00:53:08,230 --> 00:53:06,720
i think i was one of the first people or

1174
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:08,240
maybe the first person to put out the

1175
00:53:11,349 --> 00:53:09,359
avery list

1176
00:53:12,470 --> 00:53:11,359
so we were already new in 19 because

1177
00:53:15,750 --> 00:53:12,480
that was the whole game i was playing in

1178
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:15,760
1975. so in 1975 i knew i couldn't

1179
00:53:19,030 --> 00:53:17,760
figure this out but somebody had to be

1180
00:53:20,710 --> 00:53:19,040
able to know what's going on so i went

1181
00:53:22,710 --> 00:53:20,720
to the canadian government then it went

1182
00:53:24,390 --> 00:53:22,720
to dr eric walker the former president

1183
00:53:26,069 --> 00:53:24,400
of penn state university who helped put

1184
00:53:28,790 --> 00:53:26,079
off went to after they found we

1185
00:53:30,870 --> 00:53:28,800
interviewed him and and and jim and kit

1186
00:53:32,390 --> 00:53:30,880
green actually went to see him kid green

1187
00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:32,400
traveled to penn state to actually talk

1188
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:33,760
to walker because he knew walker was

1189
00:53:37,829 --> 00:53:36,000
going on so we we we chased walker

1190
00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:37,839
around and i chased the president around

1191
00:53:41,349 --> 00:53:39,280
and i knew that there was these people

1192
00:53:43,349 --> 00:53:41,359
so i always said pay attention whatever

1193
00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:43,359
you think about pandolphi or kate green

1194
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:45,680
or john alexander or all these people or

1195
00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:47,680
lua luella

1196
00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:49,920
these people know more than you and i

1197
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:51,599
and so what i've done for many years

1198
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:52,880
i've never really dealt with any of

1199
00:53:55,829 --> 00:53:54,000
these people

1200
00:53:58,150 --> 00:53:55,839
what i've done is sit very carefully and

1201
00:54:00,790 --> 00:53:58,160
i record everything they say and then i

1202
00:54:03,430 --> 00:54:00,800
start to look and you start to see oh he

1203
00:54:05,349 --> 00:54:03,440
said this oh he said that and and and

1204
00:54:08,069 --> 00:54:05,359
you start to figure out that that these

1205
00:54:09,510 --> 00:54:08,079
these guys uh for example kit green

1206
00:54:11,670 --> 00:54:09,520
talked about two

1207
00:54:13,349 --> 00:54:11,680
peniston which never nobody's picked up

1208
00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:13,359
he talked to peniston and peniston asked

1209
00:54:17,190 --> 00:54:14,480
him what are you doing why do you want

1210
00:54:18,549 --> 00:54:17,200
my dna why do you want my mri i'll give

1211
00:54:20,069 --> 00:54:18,559
you and kid green is going to give him

1212
00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:20,079
full disability in exchange for this

1213
00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:21,839
stuff and he said i wasn't injured i

1214
00:54:25,270 --> 00:54:23,440
don't need your money and he said what

1215
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:25,280
are you doing and he said well we're

1216
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:27,040
we're doing propulsion he said yeah come

1217
00:54:29,430 --> 00:54:27,839
on propulsion what do you mean

1218
00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:29,440
propulsion he said well maybe you're

1219
00:54:32,470 --> 00:54:30,720
using the wrong word we're trying to

1220
00:54:34,710 --> 00:54:32,480
figure out how does the phenomena pop in

1221
00:54:36,390 --> 00:54:34,720
and pop out now when kit green says that

1222
00:54:38,470 --> 00:54:36,400
you know they're a little bit farther

1223
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:38,480
than under understanding there's 144

1224
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:40,079
sightings and and one of them has been

1225
00:54:44,710 --> 00:54:41,440
identified this is going a little bit

1226
00:54:46,470 --> 00:54:44,720
past sightings or and so he said

1227
00:54:49,270 --> 00:54:46,480
uh well well are you working for the

1228
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:49,280
government and kit green says well yeah

1229
00:54:53,109 --> 00:54:51,119
and he said there's there's eight people

1230
00:54:54,549 --> 00:54:53,119
working and bob bigelow's got got the

1231
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:54,559
contract and they're working on

1232
00:54:57,829 --> 00:54:55,920
experiences and they're trying to figure

1233
00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:57,839
out this idea of how the how the thing

1234
00:55:00,950 --> 00:54:59,680
pops in and pops out and those are the

1235
00:55:03,910 --> 00:55:00,960
kind of things i look for where you're

1236
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:03,920
going like wow somebody knows what's

1237
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:06,160
going on here and you get these these

1238
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:08,240
various leaks and you listen very

1239
00:55:12,789 --> 00:55:09,839
carefully and you hear

1240
00:55:14,390 --> 00:55:12,799
uh numerous times uh high-level people

1241
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:14,400
and that's why i said these avery guys

1242
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:16,720
and i've said it since 1990. you got to

1243
00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:18,000
watch these guys you gotta listen to

1244
00:55:21,349 --> 00:55:20,000
what they say because

1245
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:21,359
you and i don't have the clearances we

1246
00:55:25,109 --> 00:55:23,200
don't have the the identity

1247
00:55:26,230 --> 00:55:25,119
and at one point i was actually sort of

1248
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:26,240
in contact with them and i was hearing

1249
00:55:29,349 --> 00:55:27,839
some pretty high level stuff and then i

1250
00:55:31,030 --> 00:55:29,359
talked too much because i i don't

1251
00:55:32,789 --> 00:55:31,040
believe in the secrecy thing so i've

1252
00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:32,799
always said i've always step one stay

1253
00:55:36,549 --> 00:55:34,720
one step removed from my victims so i

1254
00:55:38,069 --> 00:55:36,559
never really interact with these people

1255
00:55:40,150 --> 00:55:38,079
i just listen because i don't wanna i've

1256
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:40,160
been offered numerous times by people

1257
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:43,040
sort of high-level people to talk but i

1258
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:44,720
have to keep a secret and i said no i

1259
00:55:47,990 --> 00:55:46,160
don't wanna do that i'll take what i can

1260
00:55:49,349 --> 00:55:48,000
get i don't to be sworn to secrecy i

1261
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:49,359
don't want to get into a situation where

1262
00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:51,359
i can't talk about it but listen very

1263
00:55:54,470 --> 00:55:52,720
carefully to all these guys because most

1264
00:55:55,910 --> 00:55:54,480
of these guys are experiences nolan's an

1265
00:55:58,230 --> 00:55:55,920
experience here eric davis is an

1266
00:55:59,589 --> 00:55:58,240
experiencer he'll help put off maybe an

1267
00:56:01,030 --> 00:55:59,599
experiencer

1268
00:56:02,789 --> 00:56:01,040
you know uh

1269
00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:02,799
semi-van's an experiencer and so when

1270
00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:04,559
you hear jim semivan in his last

1271
00:56:08,789 --> 00:56:05,920
interview i don't know if you heard it

1272
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:08,799
when jim semivan is talking about the

1273
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:10,400
the the um

1274
00:56:14,950 --> 00:56:12,960
the figure that comes that he has the

1275
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:14,960
michelin men encounter then he has the

1276
00:56:18,470 --> 00:56:16,880
the being that comes after his friend

1277
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:18,480
dies in florida at the same time his

1278
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:19,440
friend dies

1279
00:56:23,349 --> 00:56:21,359
his hooded figure comes and he's telling

1280
00:56:25,030 --> 00:56:23,359
the stories and his hooded figures

1281
00:56:28,150 --> 00:56:25,040
walking through this is jim sending that

1282
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:28,160
this is like this high level cia guy and

1283
00:56:33,910 --> 00:56:29,359
he's talking about this thing and he

1284
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:35,270
okay

1285
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:37,440
that is i haven't touched a thing

1286
00:56:43,109 --> 00:56:40,160
everybody sees my hands hey hey grant

1287
00:56:46,950 --> 00:56:44,710
okay grant

1288
00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:46,960
grant stay right there

1289
00:56:52,710 --> 00:56:50,319
that was bizarre we've got somebody

1290
00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:52,720
running interference um on this show

1291
00:56:57,750 --> 00:56:54,880
everybody just got to hear that

1292
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:57,760
um i don't know this is what i'm going

1293
00:57:01,430 --> 00:56:58,640
to do

1294
00:57:03,589 --> 00:57:01,440
i'm going to take an early break and i'm

1295
00:57:04,630 --> 00:57:03,599
going to get that in right now

1296
00:57:06,069 --> 00:57:04,640
when

1297
00:57:07,829 --> 00:57:06,079
i'm just going to let the audience know

1298
00:57:09,910 --> 00:57:07,839
grant you stay right there when when

1299
00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:09,920
something like that happens

1300
00:57:14,309 --> 00:57:11,680
at a key moment in the interview like

1301
00:57:17,190 --> 00:57:14,319
that i have never heard any any

1302
00:57:20,309 --> 00:57:17,200
interference like that ever on this show

1303
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:20,319
uh through 1600 interviews

1304
00:57:26,470 --> 00:57:22,400
um that's pretty interesting and then to

1305
00:57:28,230 --> 00:57:26,480
have audio go completely dead i i was

1306
00:57:30,710 --> 00:57:28,240
just sitting here listening to it so i

1307
00:57:33,510 --> 00:57:30,720
am going to do a hard reset

1308
00:57:36,069 --> 00:57:33,520
right now and we will come back and pick

1309
00:57:38,710 --> 00:57:36,079
up where we are leaving off that was a

1310
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:38,720
very very strange occurrence here on

1311
00:57:43,030 --> 00:57:40,559
fade to black i am your host jimmy

1312
00:57:45,190 --> 00:57:43,040
church i guess tonight grant cameron

1313
00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:45,200
sometimes the man

1314
00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:46,960
nothing surprises me anymore in this

1315
00:57:51,190 --> 00:57:48,640
show it just doesn't do it sometimes the

1316
00:57:56,549 --> 00:57:54,309
doesn't like people to speak we won't

1317
00:57:58,230 --> 00:57:56,559
have that we will be right back

1318
00:58:00,150 --> 00:57:58,240
with grant cameron after this short

1319
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:00,160
break i'm your host jimmy church this is

1320
00:58:16,630 --> 00:58:10,690
[Music]

1321
00:58:22,300 --> 00:58:18,789
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1322
00:58:23,829 --> 00:58:22,310
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ray hernandez there will also be a live

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hang out with us in the safety of home

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01:01:37,990 --> 01:01:34,640
as we set out to explain the unexplained

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01:01:59,349 --> 01:01:57,430
hi this is ray sobs here repping the

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01:02:03,910 --> 01:01:59,359
planet and you're listening to my good

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01:02:06,069 --> 01:02:03,920
friend jimmy church fade to black

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01:02:08,150 --> 01:02:06,079
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01:02:11,190 --> 01:02:08,160
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01:02:13,430 --> 01:02:11,200
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01:02:18,630 --> 01:02:13,440
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01:02:22,630 --> 01:02:21,029
hey i'm adrian grenier and i'm ari gold

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01:02:24,950 --> 01:02:22,640
we're the honey brothers

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01:02:26,470 --> 01:02:24,960
and you're listening to jimmy church a

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01:02:28,150 --> 01:02:26,480
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01:02:30,150 --> 01:02:28,160
this is jimmy church of fade to black

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01:02:32,470 --> 01:02:30,160
and you can become an official fate or

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01:02:36,710 --> 01:02:32,480
not by just going to our membership

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01:02:41,109 --> 01:02:38,789
hello this is serena wright taylor from

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01:02:43,430 --> 01:02:41,119
conscious life expo and you're listening

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01:02:45,829 --> 01:02:43,440
to fade to black with jimmy church who

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01:02:49,029 --> 01:02:45,839
holds the lucky pony record for the best

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01:02:51,270 --> 01:02:49,039
astrological chart since 1963

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01:02:52,950 --> 01:02:51,280
true story

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01:02:54,549 --> 01:02:52,960
this is micah hanks of the ghrelian

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01:02:56,510 --> 01:02:54,559
report and you're listening to jimmy

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01:03:00,470 --> 01:02:56,520
church on fade to black

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01:03:01,020 --> 01:03:00,480
[Music]

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01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:01,030
[Applause]

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01:03:18,950 --> 01:03:16,710
[Music]

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01:03:20,390 --> 01:03:18,960
welcome back fade to black i am your

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01:03:22,789 --> 01:03:20,400
host jimmy church

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01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:22,799
took a break two minutes early not that

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01:03:25,190 --> 01:03:23,490
big of a deal

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01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:25,200
[Music]

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01:03:30,150 --> 01:03:27,839
the man running interference on grand

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01:03:33,029 --> 01:03:30,160
cameron

1430
01:03:36,309 --> 01:03:33,039
that was uh that was fun that was tasty

1431
01:03:37,510 --> 01:03:36,319
and uh let's hey grant uh how are you

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01:03:40,470 --> 01:03:37,520
doing

1433
01:03:41,109 --> 01:03:40,480
trouble with skype i know i never have

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01:03:45,029 --> 01:03:41,119
to

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01:03:46,789 --> 01:03:45,039
oh no no that wasn't a skype issue oh no

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01:03:49,430 --> 01:03:46,799
oh no

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01:03:51,910 --> 01:03:49,440
you knew that was interesting though

1438
01:03:53,349 --> 01:03:51,920
that was very interesting here's the

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01:03:54,470 --> 01:03:53,359
here's the deal

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01:03:56,230 --> 01:03:54,480
um

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01:03:58,069 --> 01:03:56,240
every

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01:04:01,750 --> 01:03:58,079
you start saying things like you know

1443
01:04:04,390 --> 01:04:01,760
cia and and dropping names uh you know

1444
01:04:06,870 --> 01:04:04,400
you or anybody else and at that moment

1445
01:04:11,589 --> 01:04:09,589
it's just it's inevitable i used to get

1446
01:04:13,829 --> 01:04:11,599
upset grant uh

1447
01:04:15,670 --> 01:04:13,839
in the very beginning when the stuff

1448
01:04:18,069 --> 01:04:15,680
happened when i did sports i never had a

1449
01:04:19,029 --> 01:04:18,079
technical issue ever not not even once

1450
01:04:21,829 --> 01:04:19,039
nothing

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01:04:23,910 --> 01:04:21,839
start doing this stuff man and

1452
01:04:26,150 --> 01:04:23,920
uh they are listening and they are

1453
01:04:27,430 --> 01:04:26,160
listening to the show but let me comment

1454
01:04:28,549 --> 01:04:27,440
on that i always say because people

1455
01:04:30,390 --> 01:04:28,559
always talk about this thing about the

1456
01:04:31,829 --> 01:04:30,400
government doing

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01:04:33,670 --> 01:04:31,839
this that

1458
01:04:35,670 --> 01:04:33,680
you know the agencies or whatever and i

1459
01:04:37,430 --> 01:04:35,680
always said like i'm a foreign national

1460
01:04:39,670 --> 01:04:37,440
i mean they can actually bump me off if

1461
01:04:41,190 --> 01:04:39,680
they want i mean they can take me

1462
01:04:43,349 --> 01:04:41,200
and i've never had i've never been

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01:04:44,870 --> 01:04:43,359
threatened not in 43 well i know one

1464
01:04:46,390 --> 01:04:44,880
time but it was

1465
01:04:48,069 --> 01:04:46,400
i'm trying to think who it was it was a

1466
01:04:50,150 --> 01:04:48,079
researcher or something but i had never

1467
01:04:52,069 --> 01:04:50,160
been threatened in in all the years i i

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01:04:55,349 --> 01:04:52,079
worked and i you know i'm talking about

1469
01:04:56,950 --> 01:04:55,359
all this weird stuff all the time and um

1470
01:04:59,510 --> 01:04:56,960
yeah i think it's always the plausible

1471
01:05:01,430 --> 01:04:59,520
deniability that unless you've actually

1472
01:05:04,230 --> 01:05:01,440
uh got something because i mean i've

1473
01:05:06,390 --> 01:05:04,240
written about uh ron in books and stuff

1474
01:05:08,230 --> 01:05:06,400
like that and and he watches what i do

1475
01:05:10,870 --> 01:05:08,240
and he'll make you know comments or

1476
01:05:13,750 --> 01:05:10,880
whatever and and stuff to other people

1477
01:05:15,109 --> 01:05:13,760
but uh i i've never really interacted so

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01:05:17,190 --> 01:05:15,119
i i don't know about that i mean it's

1479
01:05:18,549 --> 01:05:17,200
like as i always said i'm i mean if they

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01:05:19,910 --> 01:05:18,559
act they can't do anything to you

1481
01:05:20,789 --> 01:05:19,920
because you're american citizens there's

1482
01:05:22,870 --> 01:05:20,799
all these

1483
01:05:24,069 --> 01:05:22,880
laws and regulations but i mean if they

1484
01:05:24,950 --> 01:05:24,079
wanted to do away with me they could do

1485
01:05:26,470 --> 01:05:24,960
anything

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01:05:27,990 --> 01:05:26,480
immediately well it's kind of kind of

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01:05:30,309 --> 01:05:28,000
weird and i went after the presidents i

1488
01:05:32,789 --> 01:05:30,319
mean not just the you know the top

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01:05:34,470 --> 01:05:32,799
people in in intelligence i you know i

1490
01:05:36,870 --> 01:05:34,480
went to the highest people that i could

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01:05:37,829 --> 01:05:36,880
find in every agency trying to find out

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01:05:39,190 --> 01:05:37,839
you know

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01:05:41,029 --> 01:05:39,200
what these people know

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01:05:43,430 --> 01:05:41,039
well it's not that you're a foreign

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01:05:46,150 --> 01:05:43,440
national it's that you're canadian

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01:05:50,470 --> 01:05:46,160
there's a difference and and and right

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01:05:53,510 --> 01:05:50,480
now because wayne gretzky is in relevant

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01:05:55,430 --> 01:05:53,520
uh to the success of the nhl

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01:05:56,230 --> 01:05:55,440
you don't even have that used card to

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01:05:57,829 --> 01:05:56,240
play

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01:05:59,990 --> 01:05:57,839
so

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01:06:02,630 --> 01:06:00,000
you kind of got to think of it that way

1503
01:06:04,870 --> 01:06:02,640
but here's the deal

1504
01:06:09,430 --> 01:06:04,880
why do you think

1505
01:06:10,950 --> 01:06:09,440
everybody bailed at ttsa except

1506
01:06:14,309 --> 01:06:10,960
for semi-van

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01:06:18,630 --> 01:06:14,319
why is he still there is there a future

1508
01:06:20,549 --> 01:06:18,640
for ttsa is there a grand plan as you

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01:06:22,789 --> 01:06:20,559
mentioned earlier is there something

1510
01:06:25,510 --> 01:06:22,799
else going on is there another chess

1511
01:06:26,549 --> 01:06:25,520
move going down

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01:06:29,430 --> 01:06:26,559
um

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01:06:31,670 --> 01:06:29,440
i'm not i'm not sure that uh see

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01:06:33,750 --> 01:06:31,680
that what i was told in 2016 is that

1515
01:06:36,230 --> 01:06:33,760
that jim semivam is the big man that he

1516
01:06:37,829 --> 01:06:36,240
was the guy behind getting the story

1517
01:06:39,190 --> 01:06:37,839
into the new york times and and people

1518
01:06:40,789 --> 01:06:39,200
always forget it was not new york times

1519
01:06:42,549 --> 01:06:40,799
it was new york times washington post

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01:06:45,029 --> 01:06:42,559
and political all the same day right

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01:06:47,190 --> 01:06:45,039
there's absolutely no chance that all

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01:06:49,829 --> 01:06:47,200
these three things

1523
01:06:51,109 --> 01:06:49,839
reporters got the same story working in

1524
01:06:53,750 --> 01:06:51,119
five minutes after the new york times

1525
01:06:56,470 --> 01:06:53,760
put it in so that's what i was told and

1526
01:06:58,150 --> 01:06:56,480
so he i think is still interested in

1527
01:06:59,990 --> 01:06:58,160
tom's vision

1528
01:07:02,309 --> 01:07:00,000
of getting this stuff because what what

1529
01:07:04,069 --> 01:07:02,319
tom's idea was

1530
01:07:07,349 --> 01:07:04,079
was to get it through

1531
01:07:09,430 --> 01:07:07,359
and put it subliminally through um

1532
01:07:11,510 --> 01:07:09,440
uh you know hollywood through books and

1533
01:07:13,029 --> 01:07:11,520
stuff like that and i think jim liked

1534
01:07:14,470 --> 01:07:13,039
jim liked that idea i think they'd like

1535
01:07:16,309 --> 01:07:14,480
the idea that's why they bought into his

1536
01:07:19,109 --> 01:07:16,319
thing because he could he could do this

1537
01:07:20,630 --> 01:07:19,119
kind of stuff and if you remember

1538
01:07:22,069 --> 01:07:20,640
and again people forget about all these

1539
01:07:23,190 --> 01:07:22,079
stories i mean if you go back to chase

1540
01:07:26,150 --> 01:07:23,200
brandon if you remember the chase

1541
01:07:27,510 --> 01:07:26,160
brandon story 2012 i do i mean he was he

1542
01:07:29,109 --> 01:07:27,520
put out this book that said he was

1543
01:07:31,029 --> 01:07:29,119
between two and depending what story he

1544
01:07:33,270 --> 01:07:31,039
listened to between two and eight times

1545
01:07:34,470 --> 01:07:33,280
it went through review by intelligence

1546
01:07:36,390 --> 01:07:34,480
as to what he could put in what he

1547
01:07:37,349 --> 01:07:36,400
couldn't put in and he said if you want

1548
01:07:40,950 --> 01:07:37,359
to

1549
01:07:43,510 --> 01:07:40,960
learn something read between the lines

1550
01:07:44,870 --> 01:07:43,520
and he was the hollywood guy for the cia

1551
01:07:48,230 --> 01:07:44,880
and

1552
01:07:49,589 --> 01:07:48,240
you're doing a story on intelligence or

1553
01:07:52,150 --> 01:07:49,599
whatever they come and say hey have you

1554
01:07:53,270 --> 01:07:52,160
ever been to uh langley no i would like

1555
01:07:55,349 --> 01:07:53,280
to go to langley

1556
01:07:57,829 --> 01:07:55,359
and and they instead of killing you they

1557
01:07:59,190 --> 01:07:57,839
they walk beside you and they just

1558
01:08:01,109 --> 01:07:59,200
move you in the right direction the way

1559
01:08:03,349 --> 01:08:01,119
they want you to go because they they

1560
01:08:05,270 --> 01:08:03,359
they want to sort of control the story

1561
01:08:07,270 --> 01:08:05,280
and so that's where that's what tom

1562
01:08:08,789 --> 01:08:07,280
delong is doing now you know he took he

1563
01:08:10,309 --> 01:08:08,799
wanted to do the chris bledsoe story and

1564
01:08:12,309 --> 01:08:10,319
he there was all these different things

1565
01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:12,319
he wanted to to sort of control these

1566
01:08:17,030 --> 01:08:14,160
stories and put them out indirectly and

1567
01:08:18,309 --> 01:08:17,040
i think that's part of the the the deal

1568
01:08:19,829 --> 01:08:18,319
is that if you want to go straight

1569
01:08:21,189 --> 01:08:19,839
face-to-face with somebody about ufos

1570
01:08:22,630 --> 01:08:21,199
they just won't listen to you but if you

1571
01:08:25,110 --> 01:08:22,640
put it in directly through ancient

1572
01:08:26,630 --> 01:08:25,120
aliens or through a e or through one of

1573
01:08:28,870 --> 01:08:26,640
these things then people has it in

1574
01:08:29,910 --> 01:08:28,880
entertainment they they sort of back off

1575
01:08:31,669 --> 01:08:29,920
and they don't realize they're being

1576
01:08:33,510 --> 01:08:31,679
programmed yet as to what's going on

1577
01:08:34,789 --> 01:08:33,520
that was tom delong's whole thing now

1578
01:08:36,870 --> 01:08:34,799
the whole thing about the breakup of

1579
01:08:39,189 --> 01:08:36,880
ttsa when i heard that that alexander

1580
01:08:41,910 --> 01:08:39,199
and these guys left i i because i knew

1581
01:08:43,110 --> 01:08:41,920
that that semivan had said to melinda a

1582
01:08:45,030 --> 01:08:43,120
number of times

1583
01:08:46,390 --> 01:08:45,040
that they were doing this pressure on

1584
01:08:47,590 --> 01:08:46,400
congress to get they were going to get

1585
01:08:49,510 --> 01:08:47,600
this money they're going to go into the

1586
01:08:51,030 --> 01:08:49,520
open to the the white world type thing

1587
01:08:53,189 --> 01:08:51,040
they're going to move it in so it could

1588
01:08:54,309 --> 01:08:53,199
be researched out of the the black ops

1589
01:08:56,390 --> 01:08:54,319
where everything is still piped and

1590
01:08:57,990 --> 01:08:56,400
nothing's getting done and whatever and

1591
01:08:59,749 --> 01:08:58,000
so as soon as i heard they had left i

1592
01:09:00,789 --> 01:08:59,759
said did that senate thing go through

1593
01:09:02,550 --> 01:09:00,799
and sure enough the senate thing was

1594
01:09:04,550 --> 01:09:02,560
about to go through and as soon as that

1595
01:09:06,950 --> 01:09:04,560
happened then they left so it was and

1596
01:09:08,950 --> 01:09:06,960
and and louis alexander kept using the

1597
01:09:10,550 --> 01:09:08,960
word we've moved into second gear and

1598
01:09:12,309 --> 01:09:10,560
when he said that i go oh

1599
01:09:13,829 --> 01:09:12,319
it's sort of like it came into this

1600
01:09:16,309 --> 01:09:13,839
thing that there's stuff happening

1601
01:09:18,149 --> 01:09:16,319
behind the scenes that is uh a little

1602
01:09:19,269 --> 01:09:18,159
more involved than we think we're always

1603
01:09:20,950 --> 01:09:19,279
thinking all these things are happening

1604
01:09:22,149 --> 01:09:20,960
by accident but if you'd even look at

1605
01:09:23,990 --> 01:09:22,159
semivan

1606
01:09:25,669 --> 01:09:24,000
like when when and you did the interview

1607
01:09:28,070 --> 01:09:25,679
the big interview was with tom delong in

1608
01:09:29,829 --> 01:09:28,080
2016 right where he was talking he's

1609
01:09:32,070 --> 01:09:29,839
promoting his book or whatever and what

1610
01:09:33,590 --> 01:09:32,080
happened with the book was that the book

1611
01:09:36,309 --> 01:09:33,600
came out and he had all these contacts

1612
01:09:37,590 --> 01:09:36,319
or whatever and kit green read read this

1613
01:09:40,309 --> 01:09:37,600
heard about this kind of stuff and he

1614
01:09:41,990 --> 01:09:40,319
went to to uh jim cena and he said have

1615
01:09:43,349 --> 01:09:42,000
you heard about this tom delong guy he's

1616
01:09:44,470 --> 01:09:43,359
got all these contacts and all these

1617
01:09:46,229 --> 01:09:44,480
sources or whatever and he said no i've

1618
01:09:48,229 --> 01:09:46,239
never heard of the guy and and so that's

1619
01:09:50,149 --> 01:09:48,239
when they went to san diego and they had

1620
01:09:51,749 --> 01:09:50,159
the two two day meeting with six

1621
01:09:53,030 --> 01:09:51,759
intelligence officers with with tom

1622
01:09:54,470 --> 01:09:53,040
delonge and where'd you get this stuff

1623
01:09:56,470 --> 01:09:54,480
from where'd you get that stuff from and

1624
01:09:58,790 --> 01:09:56,480
then what happens jim semivan joins him

1625
01:10:01,189 --> 01:09:58,800
he runs he writes an uh you know forward

1626
01:10:03,110 --> 01:10:01,199
to the book and and he joins them and he

1627
01:10:04,550 --> 01:10:03,120
helps them because they're that's the

1628
01:10:06,070 --> 01:10:04,560
whole deal is they're all sort of

1629
01:10:08,790 --> 01:10:06,080
working to to move this thing out and

1630
01:10:11,430 --> 01:10:08,800
tom delong is is part of the

1631
01:10:14,070 --> 01:10:11,440
part of the the plan and so what happens

1632
01:10:16,790 --> 01:10:14,080
is is and i wrote like i said i had jim

1633
01:10:18,950 --> 01:10:16,800
sam van in his book in february of 2017.

1634
01:10:19,910 --> 01:10:18,960
that was like eight months before ttsa

1635
01:10:20,950 --> 01:10:19,920
actually went

1636
01:10:24,070 --> 01:10:20,960
public

1637
01:10:25,270 --> 01:10:24,080
so when uh louis alexander resigns on

1638
01:10:26,630 --> 01:10:25,280
october the fourth everybody thinks all

1639
01:10:28,630 --> 01:10:26,640
this is just a random thing he writes

1640
01:10:30,229 --> 01:10:28,640
this this resignation letter with no

1641
01:10:32,070 --> 01:10:30,239
date on it he sends it to secretary of

1642
01:10:33,830 --> 01:10:32,080
defense who doesn't get the letter and

1643
01:10:35,750 --> 01:10:33,840
then well then you start wondering well

1644
01:10:37,189 --> 01:10:35,760
how did he get clear how did he get

1645
01:10:39,030 --> 01:10:37,199
debriefed how did he get out of there if

1646
01:10:40,550 --> 01:10:39,040
you know if this letter didn't arrive

1647
01:10:42,070 --> 01:10:40,560
and why would he send it to secular

1648
01:10:43,910 --> 01:10:42,080
defense and all these weird things about

1649
01:10:45,750 --> 01:10:43,920
the resignation letter he resigns in the

1650
01:10:47,990 --> 01:10:45,760
morning and then in the afternoon just

1651
01:10:49,669 --> 01:10:48,000
by chance he's a pentagon city and el

1652
01:10:52,630 --> 01:10:49,679
and and who else happens to be in

1653
01:10:53,510 --> 01:10:52,640
pentagon city leslie kane uh hell put

1654
01:10:54,630 --> 01:10:53,520
off

1655
01:10:57,110 --> 01:10:54,640
kit green

1656
01:10:58,550 --> 01:10:57,120
night kid green jim jim semivan and a

1657
01:11:00,950 --> 01:10:58,560
contractor and they have a meeting with

1658
01:11:02,550 --> 01:11:00,960
louisando and then you go like this this

1659
01:11:04,470 --> 01:11:02,560
is how this is there's a little bit more

1660
01:11:05,990 --> 01:11:04,480
in the background going on than than

1661
01:11:07,830 --> 01:11:06,000
what looks like some random thing where

1662
01:11:09,430 --> 01:11:07,840
some guy just gets frustrated and and

1663
01:11:11,030 --> 01:11:09,440
leaves and and my question was always

1664
01:11:12,630 --> 01:11:11,040
the thing about that nobody's really

1665
01:11:13,750 --> 01:11:12,640
answered for me is how do you get the

1666
01:11:15,669 --> 01:11:13,760
videos out i don't care if they're

1667
01:11:17,510 --> 01:11:15,679
classified unclassified when you leave

1668
01:11:19,750 --> 01:11:17,520
and discussed from the secretary of

1669
01:11:21,030 --> 01:11:19,760
defense job or whatever

1670
01:11:22,550 --> 01:11:21,040
you simply don't take the videos with

1671
01:11:23,750 --> 01:11:22,560
you it was always the question to me is

1672
01:11:24,950 --> 01:11:23,760
how do you how did they get the videos

1673
01:11:27,030 --> 01:11:24,960
out of there how did they get the videos

1674
01:11:29,510 --> 01:11:27,040
into the public and this was i was being

1675
01:11:31,189 --> 01:11:29,520
told in 2016 that the the big man was

1676
01:11:32,390 --> 01:11:31,199
going to go on 60 minutes and that that

1677
01:11:34,550 --> 01:11:32,400
happened later it was it turned out to

1678
01:11:36,149 --> 01:11:34,560
be lazando it went on but i heard all

1679
01:11:39,110 --> 01:11:36,159
this all this stuff and and it was the

1680
01:11:41,270 --> 01:11:39,120
whole deal that uap everybody

1681
01:11:43,270 --> 01:11:41,280
bought into the uap thing now people

1682
01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:43,280
forget hillary clinton

1683
01:11:47,590 --> 01:11:45,840
fall of 2015 was going to go on the

1684
01:11:49,750 --> 01:11:47,600
kimmel show and she was all upset if you

1685
01:11:51,990 --> 01:11:49,760
look at the pedestal

1686
01:11:53,430 --> 01:11:52,000
leaks of the emails she was all upset

1687
01:11:55,510 --> 01:11:53,440
because she was supposed to ask her the

1688
01:11:57,189 --> 01:11:55,520
ufo question and she had practiced it

1689
01:11:58,950 --> 01:11:57,199
for five minutes and what it was going

1690
01:12:00,870 --> 01:11:58,960
to be is there's a new nomenclature it's

1691
01:12:03,350 --> 01:12:00,880
uaps it's no longer ufos because you're

1692
01:12:04,950 --> 01:12:03,360
crazy if you talk about ufos so that was

1693
01:12:06,550 --> 01:12:04,960
all in there and john podesta was

1694
01:12:09,430 --> 01:12:06,560
telling people ask hillary about the

1695
01:12:10,950 --> 01:12:09,440
aliens in 2015 hillary never brought up

1696
01:12:13,030 --> 01:12:10,960
the subject she was asked about the

1697
01:12:15,430 --> 01:12:13,040
aliens three times and she answered it

1698
01:12:16,550 --> 01:12:15,440
and this is all was what i was told this

1699
01:12:18,149 --> 01:12:16,560
is all going to happen hillary was going

1700
01:12:20,470 --> 01:12:18,159
to be the disclosure president they were

1701
01:12:23,750 --> 01:12:20,480
going to come forward and if you look at

1702
01:12:25,910 --> 01:12:23,760
for gila brand if you for example who is

1703
01:12:27,830 --> 01:12:25,920
uh kirsten gillibrand everybody says oh

1704
01:12:30,470 --> 01:12:27,840
this is fantastic she did this stuff

1705
01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:30,480
where did she get her seat jimmy

1706
01:12:35,910 --> 01:12:33,600
you know how she got her seat no i don't

1707
01:12:37,990 --> 01:12:35,920
she is a second she's a senator from new

1708
01:12:39,510 --> 01:12:38,000
york right got the seat when hillary

1709
01:12:41,189 --> 01:12:39,520
clinton went to the school oh that's

1710
01:12:43,669 --> 01:12:41,199
right that's right secretary of state

1711
01:12:45,510 --> 01:12:43,679
she was appointed right as and and when

1712
01:12:46,790 --> 01:12:45,520
in 2016 when they're going to do this

1713
01:12:49,350 --> 01:12:46,800
disclosure thing

1714
01:12:51,430 --> 01:12:49,360
gillibrate was on the vp list she was on

1715
01:12:53,030 --> 01:12:51,440
the long vp list not the short one she

1716
01:12:54,709 --> 01:12:53,040
was on the long vp list because they're

1717
01:12:55,669 --> 01:12:54,719
not going to take a senator from new

1718
01:12:57,669 --> 01:12:55,679
york because you don't really need a

1719
01:12:58,630 --> 01:12:57,679
senator from new york you want a swing

1720
01:13:00,550 --> 01:12:58,640
state where you're going to try to grab

1721
01:13:04,229 --> 01:13:00,560
a swing state with it with the bp but

1722
01:13:06,470 --> 01:13:04,239
she was on and who was running the vp uh

1723
01:13:07,830 --> 01:13:06,480
thing for hillary clinton john podesta

1724
01:13:09,510 --> 01:13:07,840
so then you go and look at john pedesta

1725
01:13:12,310 --> 01:13:09,520
whenever john podesta

1726
01:13:13,830 --> 01:13:12,320
contributed to jill brown's campaign

1727
01:13:15,350 --> 01:13:13,840
numerous times

1728
01:13:17,510 --> 01:13:15,360
and then you go like what's going on

1729
01:13:20,149 --> 01:13:17,520
here like why did gillibrand come out

1730
01:13:21,910 --> 01:13:20,159
she was she ran for president in 2020

1731
01:13:23,510 --> 01:13:21,920
who who told her to run for president

1732
01:13:26,070 --> 01:13:23,520
hillary clinton and you start to see

1733
01:13:27,030 --> 01:13:26,080
this you go like is this coincidence or

1734
01:13:29,189 --> 01:13:27,040
something else going on in the

1735
01:13:31,030 --> 01:13:29,199
background and then you hear like james

1736
01:13:32,630 --> 01:13:31,040
fox said he talked to john podesta and

1737
01:13:34,390 --> 01:13:32,640
john podesta said he was going to go to

1738
01:13:35,990 --> 01:13:34,400
biden and he was going to talk to biden

1739
01:13:37,830 --> 01:13:36,000
about what to do and so you start

1740
01:13:39,189 --> 01:13:37,840
wondering like is this all being

1741
01:13:40,550 --> 01:13:39,199
greenlighted because i always say the

1742
01:13:41,750 --> 01:13:40,560
president knows i absolutely maintain

1743
01:13:43,830 --> 01:13:41,760
the president knows but he's not going

1744
01:13:45,750 --> 01:13:43,840
to it's all done indirectly through

1745
01:13:49,350 --> 01:13:45,760
other people his fingerprints aren't on

1746
01:13:52,390 --> 01:13:49,360
it and uh you have the thing where um

1747
01:13:54,390 --> 01:13:52,400
you have the the nassau guy comes in and

1748
01:13:56,229 --> 01:13:54,400
he gets appointed and three weeks later

1749
01:13:57,590 --> 01:13:56,239
he's talking about ufos three weeks

1750
01:13:59,350 --> 01:13:57,600
after he gets appointed by biden he

1751
01:14:01,270 --> 01:13:59,360
could he's talking ufos and you start

1752
01:14:03,030 --> 01:14:01,280
with that coincidence and that was what

1753
01:14:05,830 --> 01:14:03,040
john podesta had apparently was going to

1754
01:14:08,070 --> 01:14:05,840
tell biden is you should set up

1755
01:14:09,669 --> 01:14:08,080
a ufo stuff in the office of science and

1756
01:14:11,270 --> 01:14:09,679
technology policy which is where i got

1757
01:14:13,270 --> 01:14:11,280
the clinton documents from that's the

1758
01:14:15,270 --> 01:14:13,280
science advisor to the president that's

1759
01:14:16,229 --> 01:14:15,280
the one that run that that appoints the

1760
01:14:17,830 --> 01:14:16,239
nasa

1761
01:14:20,950 --> 01:14:17,840
director that's where he reports to to

1762
01:14:22,950 --> 01:14:20,960
the uh office of secretary the the

1763
01:14:24,709 --> 01:14:22,960
science director so you start seeing all

1764
01:14:26,470 --> 01:14:24,719
these things and going like this stuff

1765
01:14:28,470 --> 01:14:26,480
isn't happening by accident but i was

1766
01:14:29,910 --> 01:14:28,480
told in 2016 this is all planned so when

1767
01:14:31,270 --> 01:14:29,920
hillary lost the election the first

1768
01:14:32,550 --> 01:14:31,280
thing i did is phone one of my two

1769
01:14:34,070 --> 01:14:32,560
people that could that that told me all

1770
01:14:36,550 --> 01:14:34,080
this stuff and i said so what's going on

1771
01:14:37,830 --> 01:14:36,560
now is is it over is it what's going on

1772
01:14:39,750 --> 01:14:37,840
and it said oh no it's bigger than ever

1773
01:14:41,830 --> 01:14:39,760
the green light is still on and it went

1774
01:14:43,990 --> 01:14:41,840
on and and they had to regroup they had

1775
01:14:46,149 --> 01:14:44,000
to get rid they had to replace weiss and

1776
01:14:47,590 --> 01:14:46,159
and mccaslin and all these general guys

1777
01:14:49,030 --> 01:14:47,600
because they'd been outed by the

1778
01:14:51,030 --> 01:14:49,040
wikileaks

1779
01:14:53,270 --> 01:14:51,040
and then they put in elizondo and

1780
01:14:55,189 --> 01:14:53,280
justice and these guys it was like the b

1781
01:14:56,390 --> 01:14:55,199
team they put them in and they came out

1782
01:14:58,709 --> 01:14:56,400
in in

1783
01:15:00,950 --> 01:14:58,719
alexander resigned in on october and

1784
01:15:03,350 --> 01:15:00,960
then on the a week later they went

1785
01:15:05,430 --> 01:15:03,360
public and the thing unraveled but i was

1786
01:15:07,030 --> 01:15:05,440
this is all i was told before and that's

1787
01:15:09,110 --> 01:15:07,040
why i've said it was so important

1788
01:15:10,950 --> 01:15:09,120
because people badmouth bill moore and i

1789
01:15:12,229 --> 01:15:10,960
knew bill moore he was one of the few

1790
01:15:14,950 --> 01:15:12,239
people who actually helped me with dr

1791
01:15:16,390 --> 01:15:14,960
eric walker and so he was very arrogant

1792
01:15:18,550 --> 01:15:16,400
and he had all sorts of problems but he

1793
01:15:21,350 --> 01:15:18,560
was a very very smart guy so when i saw

1794
01:15:23,830 --> 01:15:21,360
that he had 55 pages of his file then it

1795
01:15:25,110 --> 01:15:23,840
was like wow this was real they were

1796
01:15:26,550 --> 01:15:25,120
actually

1797
01:15:28,470 --> 01:15:26,560
tom delong was just a new version of

1798
01:15:29,990 --> 01:15:28,480
bill moore they actually bill moore had

1799
01:15:31,830 --> 01:15:30,000
these contacts and they were feeding

1800
01:15:33,590 --> 01:15:31,840
them materials the same thing that is

1801
01:15:35,110 --> 01:15:33,600
the same message that came to bill moore

1802
01:15:36,550 --> 01:15:35,120
they said we're here from the government

1803
01:15:37,990 --> 01:15:36,560
and we're frustrated and we want this

1804
01:15:40,149 --> 01:15:38,000
stuff out that's exactly the message

1805
01:15:42,070 --> 01:15:40,159
that semivan and

1806
01:15:43,590 --> 01:15:42,080
put off and guys are putting out is that

1807
01:15:45,750 --> 01:15:43,600
the things all stalled and you try to

1808
01:15:49,189 --> 01:15:45,760
get it into the white world

1809
01:15:52,630 --> 01:15:49,199
with um uh this is a good point to do an

1810
01:15:55,030 --> 01:15:52,640
actual little bit of a refresher on bill

1811
01:15:56,950 --> 01:15:55,040
moore for those that don't know

1812
01:15:58,870 --> 01:15:56,960
um bill

1813
01:16:02,470 --> 01:15:58,880
bill was

1814
01:16:04,950 --> 01:16:02,480
at the center of at the top of the ufo

1815
01:16:06,470 --> 01:16:04,960
community for a number of years

1816
01:16:09,270 --> 01:16:06,480
and right now

1817
01:16:10,630 --> 01:16:09,280
this year is the 75th anniversary of

1818
01:16:11,590 --> 01:16:10,640
roswell

1819
01:16:14,790 --> 01:16:11,600
now

1820
01:16:15,669 --> 01:16:14,800
we can look back i i can i can say with

1821
01:16:18,390 --> 01:16:15,679
the

1822
01:16:20,390 --> 01:16:18,400
with with a great amount of confidence

1823
01:16:23,030 --> 01:16:20,400
if it wasn't for

1824
01:16:25,510 --> 01:16:23,040
berlitz charles burlitz and and bill

1825
01:16:29,110 --> 01:16:25,520
moore in 1980 there we we there would be

1826
01:16:31,430 --> 01:16:29,120
no 75th anniversary of roswell this year

1827
01:16:33,030 --> 01:16:31,440
exactly and and that that's a that's a

1828
01:16:36,550 --> 01:16:33,040
really big deal

1829
01:16:39,990 --> 01:16:36,560
um in in 1980 when all of that started

1830
01:16:42,390 --> 01:16:40,000
to happen and the the ground swell

1831
01:16:44,870 --> 01:16:42,400
took off in ufology in

1832
01:16:48,709 --> 01:16:44,880
from so many different directions as you

1833
01:16:51,750 --> 01:16:48,719
know grant we had sedona we had document

1834
01:16:54,790 --> 01:16:51,760
leaks we had uh you can go as far as to

1835
01:16:56,550 --> 01:16:54,800
say uh uh the mj 12

1836
01:16:58,390 --> 01:16:56,560
uh idea

1837
01:17:00,310 --> 01:16:58,400
was put out there and the documents

1838
01:17:03,510 --> 01:17:00,320
started to get leaked and stan friedman

1839
01:17:06,709 --> 01:17:03,520
is involved in and all of that was all

1840
01:17:09,350 --> 01:17:06,719
centered around bill moore now here and

1841
01:17:12,149 --> 01:17:09,360
and and then bill did the big reveal in

1842
01:17:14,790 --> 01:17:12,159
1989 in in las vegas

1843
01:17:16,790 --> 01:17:14,800
and uh stepped up and said uh

1844
01:17:19,350 --> 01:17:16,800
i i've been working with the government

1845
01:17:21,270 --> 01:17:19,360
everything is fake so when he does that

1846
01:17:23,189 --> 01:17:21,280
speech runs out the back door which is

1847
01:17:25,510 --> 01:17:23,199
now a part of history

1848
01:17:27,990 --> 01:17:25,520
um the question now

1849
01:17:29,590 --> 01:17:28,000
and i can only imagine the atmosphere

1850
01:17:32,950 --> 01:17:29,600
inside of

1851
01:17:33,910 --> 01:17:32,960
that hotel um in vegas then

1852
01:17:37,510 --> 01:17:33,920
is

1853
01:17:38,870 --> 01:17:37,520
how much of what bill moore brought out

1854
01:17:40,149 --> 01:17:38,880
to the public

1855
01:17:42,229 --> 01:17:40,159
was fake

1856
01:17:44,470 --> 01:17:42,239
how much did he know

1857
01:17:47,350 --> 01:17:44,480
was absolutely faked

1858
01:17:50,709 --> 01:17:47,360
and did the government allow him to

1859
01:17:54,229 --> 01:17:50,719
profit off of said fakeness which he was

1860
01:17:55,830 --> 01:17:54,239
a celebrity and sold a lot of books

1861
01:17:59,350 --> 01:17:55,840
um that this

1862
01:18:00,630 --> 01:17:59,360
this uh synergy was going back and forth

1863
01:18:03,270 --> 01:18:00,640
between

1864
01:18:06,470 --> 01:18:03,280
i guess the air force and the cia and

1865
01:18:08,229 --> 01:18:06,480
the pentagon and bill moore and and back

1866
01:18:10,229 --> 01:18:08,239
into the public sector uh with

1867
01:18:13,350 --> 01:18:10,239
publishing rights

1868
01:18:15,830 --> 01:18:13,360
how much did bill just

1869
01:18:20,390 --> 01:18:15,840
agree to do where he knew that those

1870
01:18:22,310 --> 01:18:20,400
were were possibly all fake documents

1871
01:18:23,750 --> 01:18:22,320
okay first well there's a lot of things

1872
01:18:25,990 --> 01:18:23,760
you brought up there first thing is when

1873
01:18:28,229 --> 01:18:26,000
he made the 89 speech what he said was

1874
01:18:30,310 --> 01:18:28,239
not everything is fake he said you guys

1875
01:18:33,030 --> 01:18:30,320
have been had and basically that's the

1876
01:18:34,470 --> 01:18:33,040
same idea of the idea of the guerrilla

1877
01:18:36,310 --> 01:18:34,480
where where they're directing the

1878
01:18:38,310 --> 01:18:36,320
traffic and everybody's sort of going

1879
01:18:39,510 --> 01:18:38,320
from 24 7 news everybody's just going on

1880
01:18:41,430 --> 01:18:39,520
the latest story and that's why we get

1881
01:18:43,110 --> 01:18:41,440
taken for a ride so many times is

1882
01:18:44,390 --> 01:18:43,120
because everybody thinks that the the

1883
01:18:45,669 --> 01:18:44,400
next story is the one that's going to

1884
01:18:46,709 --> 01:18:45,679
break the cover up

1885
01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:46,719
and so everybody's looking for the next

1886
01:18:50,790 --> 01:18:48,400
story so there's this even there's

1887
01:18:52,709 --> 01:18:50,800
another document was leaked another uh

1888
01:18:54,470 --> 01:18:52,719
trump document was leaked and i'm going

1889
01:18:55,910 --> 01:18:54,480
come on this is like nonsense i mean the

1890
01:18:56,950 --> 01:18:55,920
way it was set up or whatever and these

1891
01:18:58,390 --> 01:18:56,960
things are coming out all the time and

1892
01:18:59,990 --> 01:18:58,400
people jump all over them and then

1893
01:19:00,790 --> 01:19:00,000
somebody yells hoax and then they go on

1894
01:19:02,390 --> 01:19:00,800
okay

1895
01:19:04,550 --> 01:19:02,400
and then the next video comes out and

1896
01:19:07,189 --> 01:19:04,560
they jump on that and nobody ever goes

1897
01:19:09,189 --> 01:19:07,199
back and looks at how it's all uh coming

1898
01:19:11,510 --> 01:19:09,199
together from the past everybody's just

1899
01:19:13,669 --> 01:19:11,520
jumping on the next story and so bill

1900
01:19:15,669 --> 01:19:13,679
moore said you guys are being taken that

1901
01:19:16,950 --> 01:19:15,679
they're feeding this material and he was

1902
01:19:20,070 --> 01:19:16,960
told right from the beginning and you

1903
01:19:22,149 --> 01:19:20,080
mentioned the fact that that that um the

1904
01:19:23,750 --> 01:19:22,159
the roswell story came out because of

1905
01:19:26,390 --> 01:19:23,760
him and

1906
01:19:28,550 --> 01:19:26,400
when he put the book out it was within

1907
01:19:29,910 --> 01:19:28,560
days he went on a book tour and he said

1908
01:19:31,350 --> 01:19:29,920
most of the money was made by he almost

1909
01:19:33,270 --> 01:19:31,360
made it didn't make that much money it

1910
01:19:35,270 --> 01:19:33,280
was burles who made all the money and

1911
01:19:37,590 --> 01:19:35,280
that he said that he was phoned twice

1912
01:19:39,590 --> 01:19:37,600
once from from uh

1913
01:19:41,590 --> 01:19:39,600
probably richard dodie from albuquerque

1914
01:19:43,590 --> 01:19:41,600
and then he was phoned by this guy

1915
01:19:46,070 --> 01:19:43,600
who i believe leaked the

1916
01:19:49,030 --> 01:19:46,080
uh iran document with the with the jet

1917
01:19:51,590 --> 01:19:49,040
fighter and he also leaked the reports

1918
01:19:54,790 --> 01:19:51,600
on the the uh over flights of the

1919
01:19:56,310 --> 01:19:54,800
nuclear stuff in 1975 he was from offutt

1920
01:19:58,229 --> 01:19:56,320
air force base i can his name always

1921
01:19:59,990 --> 01:19:58,239
escapes me but uh these are the two guys

1922
01:20:01,350 --> 01:20:00,000
so one phone one phoned them and said

1923
01:20:02,950 --> 01:20:01,360
the only guy knows what you what you're

1924
01:20:04,470 --> 01:20:02,960
talking about and that would trap bill

1925
01:20:05,910 --> 01:20:04,480
moore that would be exactly what bill

1926
01:20:08,149 --> 01:20:05,920
moore want yeah i'm the only guy who was

1927
01:20:10,070 --> 01:20:08,159
talking about because he was extremely

1928
01:20:11,669 --> 01:20:10,080
egotistical he was really and he was a

1929
01:20:13,110 --> 01:20:11,679
smart guy he thought he knew everything

1930
01:20:14,310 --> 01:20:13,120
and and then the second guy phones him

1931
01:20:15,990 --> 01:20:14,320
same thing the only guy knows who you're

1932
01:20:17,910 --> 01:20:16,000
talking about and so they draw him in

1933
01:20:19,350 --> 01:20:17,920
and they told him right from the word go

1934
01:20:20,550 --> 01:20:19,360
and bill was very open about this but

1935
01:20:22,470 --> 01:20:20,560
the beginning not at the end the very

1936
01:20:24,629 --> 01:20:22,480
beginning that you're going to be given

1937
01:20:25,990 --> 01:20:24,639
stuff that's true and stuff that's not

1938
01:20:27,990 --> 01:20:26,000
true and you have to separate the wheat

1939
01:20:29,830 --> 01:20:28,000
from the chaff and bill said yeah i can

1940
01:20:31,669 --> 01:20:29,840
do that and of course that's bill moore

1941
01:20:33,350 --> 01:20:31,679
yeah so he was basically trying and at

1942
01:20:34,950 --> 01:20:33,360
the end he basically

1943
01:20:36,629 --> 01:20:34,960
decided that a lot of it was fake that

1944
01:20:38,629 --> 01:20:36,639
he was taken that he was taken for a

1945
01:20:40,709 --> 01:20:38,639
ride as well but the mj-12 i've written

1946
01:20:42,229 --> 01:20:40,719
about it in number of books the mj 12 is

1947
01:20:44,390 --> 01:20:42,239
absolutely for real so

1948
01:20:46,070 --> 01:20:44,400
the way we're doing in the 1980s

1949
01:20:47,590 --> 01:20:46,080
is not the way they're doing it now was

1950
01:20:49,669 --> 01:20:47,600
what you would do is you'd use these

1951
01:20:51,189 --> 01:20:49,679
documents so the mj12 document people

1952
01:20:52,550 --> 01:20:51,199
always say oh the mj12 document was fake

1953
01:20:55,510 --> 01:20:52,560
and bill moore faked it and whatever

1954
01:20:58,229 --> 01:20:55,520
there was 3 700 pages of documents mj-12

1955
01:21:00,229 --> 01:20:58,239
stuff there was the the uh ryan wood and

1956
01:21:01,669 --> 01:21:00,239
his father robert wood were working on

1957
01:21:03,510 --> 01:21:01,679
this stuff and doing the analysis and

1958
01:21:05,110 --> 01:21:03,520
stuff this stuff was coming from all

1959
01:21:07,110 --> 01:21:05,120
over the place there's no way richard

1960
01:21:08,709 --> 01:21:07,120
dodie produced 3 700 pages of material

1961
01:21:10,229 --> 01:21:08,719
this was this was some agency putting

1962
01:21:11,830 --> 01:21:10,239
this stuff out and so what they did is

1963
01:21:14,550 --> 01:21:11,840
this plausible liability thing so they

1964
01:21:16,310 --> 01:21:14,560
take a real document and alter it so the

1965
01:21:18,470 --> 01:21:16,320
documents were were fake i said that

1966
01:21:19,910 --> 01:21:18,480
right from the word go but the idea is

1967
01:21:21,910 --> 01:21:19,920
real the idea is real so that's what you

1968
01:21:24,390 --> 01:21:21,920
do is you put out a real story and you

1969
01:21:26,470 --> 01:21:24,400
you fictionalize it and then you can say

1970
01:21:28,790 --> 01:21:26,480
the document's fake is we know it's fake

1971
01:21:30,390 --> 01:21:28,800
it's and it is a fake document but it's

1972
01:21:32,550 --> 01:21:30,400
based on real material and there's

1973
01:21:35,430 --> 01:21:32,560
there's i think in one book i have 20

1974
01:21:37,750 --> 01:21:35,440
different uh uh pieces of material that

1975
01:21:40,070 --> 01:21:37,760
show high-level people talking about mj

1976
01:21:43,590 --> 01:21:40,080
12 that the talk that the group was real

1977
01:21:44,950 --> 01:21:43,600
the stuff was fake so bill um in the end

1978
01:21:46,870 --> 01:21:44,960
got frustrated and one of the things you

1979
01:21:48,709 --> 01:21:46,880
got to remember is that bill worked for

1980
01:21:50,550 --> 01:21:48,719
the cia bill

1981
01:21:51,750 --> 01:21:50,560
he said i worked with them

1982
01:21:53,430 --> 01:21:51,760
what they used to do they don't do it

1983
01:21:55,430 --> 01:21:53,440
anymore they used to recruit people from

1984
01:21:57,830 --> 01:21:55,440
university so bill could speak russian

1985
01:21:59,590 --> 01:21:57,840
and he could end french and english and

1986
01:22:01,990 --> 01:21:59,600
he was recruited when he was going to

1987
01:22:04,070 --> 01:22:02,000
university to do some stuff for the cia

1988
01:22:06,790 --> 01:22:04,080
so what he said is that when the ufo

1989
01:22:08,870 --> 01:22:06,800
thing came up he went back and re re

1990
01:22:10,709 --> 01:22:08,880
made his contacts inside the cia so he

1991
01:22:12,550 --> 01:22:10,719
had this inside track

1992
01:22:14,550 --> 01:22:12,560
but a lot of the material bill was

1993
01:22:16,470 --> 01:22:14,560
talking to i think actual material it's

1994
01:22:17,270 --> 01:22:16,480
hard to determine any of that material

1995
01:22:19,430 --> 01:22:17,280
because that's the way they were doing

1996
01:22:20,950 --> 01:22:19,440
it in those days it was partly true

1997
01:22:22,229 --> 01:22:20,960
partly false that's what we're doing i

1998
01:22:24,390 --> 01:22:22,239
don't think they do that anymore i think

1999
01:22:26,229 --> 01:22:24,400
they give straight material if you're

2000
01:22:27,830 --> 01:22:26,239
talking to semi-van i think you can

2001
01:22:30,229 --> 01:22:27,840
basically believe everything semi-van

2002
01:22:31,750 --> 01:22:30,239
says he's very i think clear about it

2003
01:22:34,310 --> 01:22:31,760
they don't do this this information

2004
01:22:38,709 --> 01:22:34,320
thing that they were doing before

2005
01:22:42,229 --> 01:22:38,719
the uh the other part uh for this though

2006
01:22:43,189 --> 01:22:42,239
is uh when we're talking about uh bill

2007
01:22:45,669 --> 01:22:43,199
moore

2008
01:22:48,229 --> 01:22:45,679
and the significance of how the

2009
01:22:51,110 --> 01:22:48,239
community looked at him

2010
01:22:53,750 --> 01:22:51,120
where today when something blows up or

2011
01:22:55,510 --> 01:22:53,760
something goes sideways and

2012
01:22:57,910 --> 01:22:55,520
that it's just the end of the world and

2013
01:23:00,390 --> 01:22:57,920
i keep trying to remind people

2014
01:23:03,750 --> 01:23:00,400
that this community is

2015
01:23:06,629 --> 01:23:03,760
is kind of used to it grant right

2016
01:23:08,470 --> 01:23:06,639
we bounced back many many many many

2017
01:23:10,950 --> 01:23:08,480
times over the years

2018
01:23:11,990 --> 01:23:10,960
and and bill moore wasn't the only one

2019
01:23:14,470 --> 01:23:12,000
either

2020
01:23:16,390 --> 01:23:14,480
and we will continue going through these

2021
01:23:18,550 --> 01:23:16,400
cycles i mean that's just the way it is

2022
01:23:20,950 --> 01:23:18,560
right it's the ufo subject

2023
01:23:23,669 --> 01:23:20,960
yeah i think but i think the ufo's uh

2024
01:23:25,270 --> 01:23:23,679
field now has really sort of lost it i

2025
01:23:27,270 --> 01:23:25,280
mean in terms of there's there's no

2026
01:23:29,510 --> 01:23:27,280
ability to decipher anything from what i

2027
01:23:31,270 --> 01:23:29,520
can see i mean some of the craziest

2028
01:23:33,189 --> 01:23:31,280
stuff comes out from people that i've

2029
01:23:34,470 --> 01:23:33,199
known for a long time and it's like why

2030
01:23:36,390 --> 01:23:34,480
are you looking at this stuff it's sort

2031
01:23:38,870 --> 01:23:36,400
of like it's being dumped in

2032
01:23:41,270 --> 01:23:38,880
uh to make money or for whatever it's

2033
01:23:42,629 --> 01:23:41,280
like in bill moore's day it was it was

2034
01:23:43,990 --> 01:23:42,639
kind of a rare thing but now you get

2035
01:23:45,750 --> 01:23:44,000
this q and on stuff and all the

2036
01:23:48,550 --> 01:23:45,760
conspiracy stuff and it's like

2037
01:23:50,070 --> 01:23:48,560
absolutely everything is all this stuff

2038
01:23:53,030 --> 01:23:50,080
and you can't determine what's true and

2039
01:23:55,030 --> 01:23:53,040
what's false that's why i would say

2040
01:23:58,310 --> 01:23:55,040
listen elizondo i think is is is

2041
01:24:01,590 --> 01:23:58,320
reliable if you listen to uh semivan is

2042
01:24:03,030 --> 01:24:01,600
reliable um hell put off that these are

2043
01:24:05,110 --> 01:24:03,040
these are guys you can listen to but

2044
01:24:07,590 --> 01:24:05,120
outside of that i don't think there's

2045
01:24:09,669 --> 01:24:07,600
really much i pay any attention to it at

2046
01:24:11,750 --> 01:24:09,679
all that that because there's just so

2047
01:24:13,910 --> 01:24:11,760
much material so many people have leaks

2048
01:24:15,510 --> 01:24:13,920
and videos and and stuff like that and

2049
01:24:17,910 --> 01:24:15,520
it's just gone like absolutely like the

2050
01:24:19,750 --> 01:24:17,920
national enquirer and even a national

2051
01:24:22,470 --> 01:24:19,760
enquirer in those days the national

2052
01:24:23,990 --> 01:24:22,480
enquirer was the top top thing bob pratt

2053
01:24:25,750 --> 01:24:24,000
was a real hard

2054
01:24:27,030 --> 01:24:25,760
nosed journalist he would write these

2055
01:24:28,790 --> 01:24:27,040
things they would mess it up when they

2056
01:24:30,950 --> 01:24:28,800
when they put it in the newspaper move

2057
01:24:33,110 --> 01:24:30,960
it from 20 pages down to 600 words or

2058
01:24:35,830 --> 01:24:33,120
whatever but he he was on the leading

2059
01:24:38,709 --> 01:24:35,840
edge now it's like everybody's gone into

2060
01:24:40,070 --> 01:24:38,719
that sort of tabloid thing where he

2061
01:24:41,510 --> 01:24:40,080
it's hard to

2062
01:24:42,830 --> 01:24:41,520
to believe anything in the ufo community

2063
01:24:44,870 --> 01:24:42,840
i think it's really

2064
01:24:47,110 --> 01:24:44,880
damaging and that's why i would say the

2065
01:24:50,070 --> 01:24:47,120
people you've got to listen to are

2066
01:24:51,430 --> 01:24:50,080
people like alezzando and melon and

2067
01:24:53,510 --> 01:24:51,440
semivan because i don't think they're

2068
01:24:55,030 --> 01:24:53,520
really

2069
01:24:56,870 --> 01:24:55,040
using this information anymore i think

2070
01:24:58,550 --> 01:24:56,880
they're really trying to say

2071
01:25:00,390 --> 01:24:58,560
what they can and yet they say things

2072
01:25:01,669 --> 01:25:00,400
indirectly when you hear for example lou

2073
01:25:03,990 --> 01:25:01,679
alexander says oh you should come back

2074
01:25:05,590 --> 01:25:04,000
in five years when when i hear that i go

2075
01:25:07,189 --> 01:25:05,600
what's that about is that that uh seven

2076
01:25:09,990 --> 01:25:07,199
year plan i was like what's going on

2077
01:25:10,790 --> 01:25:10,000
here why did he say that and or when he

2078
01:25:11,750 --> 01:25:10,800
says

2079
01:25:13,110 --> 01:25:11,760
the thing that i think is the most

2080
01:25:14,870 --> 01:25:13,120
important thing where he says when he

2081
01:25:16,229 --> 01:25:14,880
gets asked is it off world or is it

2082
01:25:18,229 --> 01:25:16,239
whatever and he says well hang on

2083
01:25:20,229 --> 01:25:18,239
there's other alternatives other

2084
01:25:21,590 --> 01:25:20,239
possibilities and you never know when he

2085
01:25:23,030 --> 01:25:21,600
starts talking about quantum physics and

2086
01:25:24,390 --> 01:25:23,040
that's where it's going to go that's

2087
01:25:26,709 --> 01:25:24,400
where this thing that's why i think the

2088
01:25:27,990 --> 01:25:26,719
cover-up is that i think it's all true

2089
01:25:30,149 --> 01:25:28,000
what what the government is putting out

2090
01:25:31,830 --> 01:25:30,159
whether it was johnson's uh report for

2091
01:25:33,910 --> 01:25:31,840
president johnson's ufo report that was

2092
01:25:35,430 --> 01:25:33,920
done for him or whether it was carter or

2093
01:25:37,669 --> 01:25:35,440
whether it was clinton or whether it was

2094
01:25:39,990 --> 01:25:37,679
obama it's all the same thing or even

2095
01:25:41,910 --> 01:25:40,000
trump i saw the videos yeah they say

2096
01:25:43,750 --> 01:25:41,920
these these videos are real i mean i

2097
01:25:45,430 --> 01:25:43,760
really not i don't really believe it and

2098
01:25:46,950 --> 01:25:45,440
and the thing is i don't think they

2099
01:25:49,430 --> 01:25:46,960
really know and that's what semivan

2100
01:25:51,830 --> 01:25:49,440
actually says he says it uh quite

2101
01:25:54,870 --> 01:25:51,840
clearly uh let me give you a quote here

2102
01:26:01,030 --> 01:25:58,070
he says this is an incredibly complex

2103
01:26:03,110 --> 01:26:01,040
topic i don't think they referring to

2104
01:26:04,709 --> 01:26:03,120
the guys doing the study here i don't

2105
01:26:07,750 --> 01:26:04,719
think they're going to come up with any

2106
01:26:09,110 --> 01:26:07,760
answers at all and i don't even know if

2107
01:26:11,750 --> 01:26:09,120
they're going to come up with a

2108
01:26:13,350 --> 01:26:11,760
direction to take

2109
01:26:16,310 --> 01:26:13,360
we said there's a whole lot of other

2110
01:26:18,790 --> 01:26:16,320
reality that surrounds us that we simply

2111
01:26:20,470 --> 01:26:18,800
don't have the ability to see and that's

2112
01:26:23,030 --> 01:26:20,480
where i think we're going is and

2113
01:26:25,910 --> 01:26:23,040
alexander says it we we ufo that stuff

2114
01:26:27,350 --> 01:26:25,920
is for real uaps are real we've got data

2115
01:26:30,070 --> 01:26:27,360
we've got all sorts of stuff that's why

2116
01:26:32,149 --> 01:26:30,080
i say we can't get into into into how

2117
01:26:33,830 --> 01:26:32,159
many times did the basketball uh move we

2118
01:26:35,030 --> 01:26:33,840
got to realize something's going on in

2119
01:26:37,990 --> 01:26:35,040
the background

2120
01:26:39,910 --> 01:26:38,000
that yes stuff is real but it's not the

2121
01:26:42,229 --> 01:26:39,920
nuts and bolts thing that people even

2122
01:26:43,830 --> 01:26:42,239
even jim semivan said at one point

2123
01:26:45,510 --> 01:26:43,840
in one of those recent interviews he

2124
01:26:47,669 --> 01:26:45,520
said yeah it's picked up by these

2125
01:26:49,110 --> 01:26:47,679
sensors and then it just disappears it

2126
01:26:50,790 --> 01:26:49,120
indicates like he's indicating that it

2127
01:26:52,229 --> 01:26:50,800
just disappears off the sensor that is

2128
01:26:53,910 --> 01:26:52,239
picking it up so it's solid and then

2129
01:26:56,470 --> 01:26:53,920
suddenly it's not solid and that's the

2130
01:26:57,830 --> 01:26:56,480
whole deal is when obama says yeah we've

2131
01:26:58,470 --> 01:26:57,840
got this stuff and we don't know what it

2132
01:27:07,030 --> 01:26:58,480
is

2133
01:27:08,550 --> 01:27:07,040
you know complex uh simulated universe

2134
01:27:10,390 --> 01:27:08,560
thing where they're flipping around i'm

2135
01:27:12,229 --> 01:27:10,400
doing a book i finished the book and

2136
01:27:13,590 --> 01:27:12,239
it's on people i've got three dozen

2137
01:27:14,950 --> 01:27:13,600
people who fly the craft and you get

2138
01:27:17,110 --> 01:27:14,960
into this whole thing about how the

2139
01:27:18,870 --> 01:27:17,120
craft has moved around and it's all this

2140
01:27:20,790 --> 01:27:18,880
mind stuff about think where you want to

2141
01:27:22,629 --> 01:27:20,800
go and suddenly the person's outside the

2142
01:27:25,430 --> 01:27:22,639
milky way and stuff like that and this

2143
01:27:27,990 --> 01:27:25,440
is people like john ramirez the cia guy

2144
01:27:31,270 --> 01:27:28,000
this is a 747 airline pilot out of san

2145
01:27:33,189 --> 01:27:31,280
francisco this is a guy out of the the

2146
01:27:34,950 --> 01:27:33,199
los angeles side of the orange county

2147
01:27:36,149 --> 01:27:34,960
u.s air force retired colonel these are

2148
01:27:37,669 --> 01:27:36,159
people telling these stories about how

2149
01:27:39,030 --> 01:27:37,679
they move the craft around how they flow

2150
01:27:40,790 --> 01:27:39,040
in the craft and it gets into this

2151
01:27:42,310 --> 01:27:40,800
consciousness thing which is i think

2152
01:27:45,110 --> 01:27:42,320
where it's going and i think that's what

2153
01:27:46,470 --> 01:27:45,120
stalled the whole thing is is that

2154
01:27:49,110 --> 01:27:46,480
everything's just going to just turn out

2155
01:27:51,110 --> 01:27:49,120
to be et's and i can almost i bet the

2156
01:27:53,030 --> 01:27:51,120
farm i don't own that is not going to be

2157
01:27:53,990 --> 01:27:53,040
that it's going to be very very complex

2158
01:27:55,669 --> 01:27:54,000
and they everybody's saying it

2159
01:27:57,350 --> 01:27:55,679
elizondo's saying it they're all saying

2160
01:27:59,110 --> 01:27:57,360
it and nobody's paying attention they

2161
01:28:00,629 --> 01:27:59,120
just keep you know when's the government

2162
01:28:02,310 --> 01:28:00,639
going to disclose ets and stuff like

2163
01:28:04,470 --> 01:28:02,320
that and when you hear the high-level

2164
01:28:06,390 --> 01:28:04,480
people and you can quote anybody listen

2165
01:28:08,629 --> 01:28:06,400
to them carefully they're basically

2166
01:28:10,629 --> 01:28:08,639
saying this is when you really take a

2167
01:28:12,470 --> 01:28:10,639
deep close look at this we really don't

2168
01:28:13,910 --> 01:28:12,480
know what's going on it's for real

2169
01:28:16,950 --> 01:28:13,920
absolutely and that's one of the

2170
01:28:18,390 --> 01:28:16,960
problems that we have and uh

2171
01:28:20,550 --> 01:28:18,400
you might want to do it after the break

2172
01:28:22,070 --> 01:28:20,560
but maybe i can talk about how a

2173
01:28:24,470 --> 01:28:22,080
semi-van actually says this thing can

2174
01:28:26,550 --> 01:28:24,480
all fall apart because he as the way he

2175
01:28:27,350 --> 01:28:26,560
describes it is the government is

2176
01:28:28,629 --> 01:28:27,360
uh

2177
01:28:29,510 --> 01:28:28,639
proactive

2178
01:28:31,510 --> 01:28:29,520
or

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01:28:33,030 --> 01:28:31,520
reactive rather than proactive the

2180
01:28:34,950 --> 01:28:33,040
government doesn't do anything until

2181
01:28:37,669 --> 01:28:34,960
something happens he talked about how

2182
01:28:40,470 --> 01:28:37,679
they warned the cia warned about uh

2183
01:28:41,990 --> 01:28:40,480
the pandemics they warned about the 911

2184
01:28:43,350 --> 01:28:42,000
and he said nobody would listen to us we

2185
01:28:44,550 --> 01:28:43,360
wrote piles of reports nobody would

2186
01:28:46,149 --> 01:28:44,560
listen to us they don't do anything

2187
01:28:48,070 --> 01:28:46,159
until something happens so you have this

2188
01:28:51,030 --> 01:28:48,080
situation that we're in right now is you

2189
01:28:53,030 --> 01:28:51,040
have the you have people who are pro ufo

2190
01:28:54,470 --> 01:28:53,040
are running this thing but semivan says

2191
01:28:56,629 --> 01:28:54,480
you're going to get a situ you may get a

2192
01:28:59,110 --> 01:28:56,639
situation where if they don't find the

2193
01:28:59,830 --> 01:28:59,120
answer right away and this thing goes

2194
01:29:01,430 --> 01:28:59,840
the government's not going to be

2195
01:29:02,790 --> 01:29:01,440
interested anymore because it's like the

2196
01:29:04,550 --> 01:29:02,800
canadian government yeah it's for real

2197
01:29:05,910 --> 01:29:04,560
but we can't get anywhere with it what

2198
01:29:07,350 --> 01:29:05,920
are we wasting this money and there's a

2199
01:29:09,030 --> 01:29:07,360
lot of people running around now saying

2200
01:29:10,790 --> 01:29:09,040
we need to roll the budget back to

2201
01:29:12,390 --> 01:29:10,800
spending too much money and this sort of

2202
01:29:14,310 --> 01:29:12,400
stuff and if they don't come up with an

2203
01:29:15,350 --> 01:29:14,320
answer it's going to be like 1994 what

2204
01:29:18,070 --> 01:29:15,360
happened to

2205
01:29:20,310 --> 01:29:18,080
to uh the remote viewing program that

2206
01:29:22,229 --> 01:29:20,320
senator byrd was running the

2207
01:29:24,149 --> 01:29:22,239
appropriations committee and his

2208
01:29:26,070 --> 01:29:24,159
assistant was this lawyer guy dick

2209
01:29:27,830 --> 01:29:26,080
d'amato whose girlfriend was was a

2210
01:29:30,149 --> 01:29:27,840
remote viewer they were pro and they

2211
01:29:31,910 --> 01:29:30,159
were using these earmarks to fund the

2212
01:29:34,149 --> 01:29:31,920
remote viewing program

2213
01:29:35,030 --> 01:29:34,159
and and and uh

2214
01:29:50,390 --> 01:29:35,040
and

2215
01:29:53,030 --> 01:29:50,400
couple of months the program had been

2216
01:29:55,030 --> 01:29:53,040
killed it was moved from dia to cia and

2217
01:29:57,030 --> 01:29:55,040
it was killed and that can happen again

2218
01:29:59,189 --> 01:29:57,040
if you get a situation where the people

2219
01:30:00,790 --> 01:29:59,199
who are backing it lose power and then

2220
01:30:02,709 --> 01:30:00,800
the people say we need to cut money we

2221
01:30:04,470 --> 01:30:02,719
need to cut the budget and if you're not

2222
01:30:06,229 --> 01:30:04,480
coming up with any answers why are we

2223
01:30:07,830 --> 01:30:06,239
spending money on this ufo thing we're

2224
01:30:10,310 --> 01:30:07,840
not getting anywhere here this is a

2225
01:30:12,470 --> 01:30:10,320
waste of money and the the the people

2226
01:30:14,629 --> 01:30:12,480
that are against it will end up it can

2227
01:30:15,990 --> 01:30:14,639
shift in a in a moment just depends

2228
01:30:17,669 --> 01:30:16,000
who's doing it right now there's a bunch

2229
01:30:19,990 --> 01:30:17,679
of people back in this thing who are

2230
01:30:20,629 --> 01:30:20,000
pro-ufo but they're

2231
01:30:24,470 --> 01:30:20,639
if

2232
01:30:25,669 --> 01:30:24,480
disappear because they're probably not

2233
01:30:27,350 --> 01:30:25,679
going to get any answers it's going to

2234
01:30:30,390 --> 01:30:27,360
be stalled and that's what the canadian

2235
01:30:32,470 --> 01:30:30,400
government i just got a couple 160 pages

2236
01:30:35,910 --> 01:30:32,480
from transport canada and all ufo

2237
01:30:38,229 --> 01:30:35,920
sightings no no just no pulls stuff no

2238
01:30:39,270 --> 01:30:38,239
blacked out stuff scrambled jets all

2239
01:30:40,709 --> 01:30:39,280
this kind of stuff and they just

2240
01:30:42,550 --> 01:30:40,719
basically yeah this is going on we don't

2241
01:30:43,910 --> 01:30:42,560
really care it's not our job and that

2242
01:30:47,350 --> 01:30:43,920
that could happen in the united states

2243
01:30:50,229 --> 01:30:47,360
as well well ed i've got uh 60 seconds

2244
01:30:53,510 --> 01:30:50,239
grant so i need a quick answer from you

2245
01:30:57,430 --> 01:30:53,520
um it has to be

2246
01:30:59,669 --> 01:30:57,440
thousands of planets and thousands of

2247
01:31:02,149 --> 01:30:59,679
races of e.t

2248
01:31:02,950 --> 01:31:02,159
in contact with us it can't be just one

2249
01:31:05,189 --> 01:31:02,960
thing

2250
01:31:07,030 --> 01:31:05,199
right it just can't be

2251
01:31:09,350 --> 01:31:07,040
or it can be here here's your quick

2252
01:31:11,750 --> 01:31:09,360
answer which will just bend your your

2253
01:31:13,750 --> 01:31:11,760
head a little bit it may be

2254
01:31:14,709 --> 01:31:13,760
that everything is inside yourself when

2255
01:31:15,910 --> 01:31:14,719
you have an out-of-body experience

2256
01:31:18,310 --> 01:31:15,920
you're not going anywhere going inside

2257
01:31:19,910 --> 01:31:18,320
yourself everything is within you and

2258
01:31:21,510 --> 01:31:19,920
you start hearing this if you talk

2259
01:31:23,590 --> 01:31:21,520
listen to john ramirez start talking

2260
01:31:26,470 --> 01:31:23,600
about this this is this idea there may

2261
01:31:28,390 --> 01:31:26,480
be as john wheeler the famous physicist

2262
01:31:32,310 --> 01:31:28,400
there may be no out there out there it

2263
01:31:33,669 --> 01:31:32,320
may be all here inside us

2264
01:31:36,070 --> 01:31:33,679
that's the part where it gets really

2265
01:31:38,550 --> 01:31:36,080
weird what is how does reality actually

2266
01:31:39,350 --> 01:31:38,560
work if it's a simulated universe and

2267
01:31:40,870 --> 01:31:39,360
the whole idea if you have an

2268
01:31:42,310 --> 01:31:40,880
out-of-body experience jimmy and you go

2269
01:31:44,149 --> 01:31:42,320
and you're floating and you look back at

2270
01:31:45,830 --> 01:31:44,159
your body your body is in your

2271
01:31:47,590 --> 01:31:45,840
consciousness you can see your brain

2272
01:31:49,110 --> 01:31:47,600
your brain is in your consciousness it's

2273
01:31:50,790 --> 01:31:49,120
all in your consciousness and that's

2274
01:31:52,470 --> 01:31:50,800
where things start to shift and when you

2275
01:31:53,669 --> 01:31:52,480
start talking to people flying the craft

2276
01:31:55,270 --> 01:31:53,679
you start getting into that kind of

2277
01:31:56,709 --> 01:31:55,280
stuff it's all in your mind you think

2278
01:31:58,149 --> 01:31:56,719
where you want to go and that's where

2279
01:32:01,030 --> 01:31:58,159
you go and that includes people like

2280
01:32:02,709 --> 01:32:01,040
john ramirez who are talking about this

2281
01:32:05,430 --> 01:32:02,719
i want to get inside grant cameron's

2282
01:32:07,669 --> 01:32:05,440
brain that's what i want to do and and

2283
01:32:09,189 --> 01:32:07,679
and we'll be right back after this short

2284
01:32:11,350 --> 01:32:09,199
break this is fade to black our guest

2285
01:32:14,629 --> 01:32:11,360
tonight grant cameron

2286
01:32:17,270 --> 01:32:14,639
john wheeler is one of the toughest guys

2287
01:32:19,510 --> 01:32:17,280
to go as far as physicists go

2288
01:32:21,350 --> 01:32:19,520
and and get information on i've been

2289
01:32:25,620 --> 01:32:21,360
trying for years i'll be right back this

2290
01:32:25,630 --> 01:32:32,790
[Music]

2291
01:32:40,870 --> 01:32:36,070
way out here we listen to jimmy church

2292
01:32:44,550 --> 01:32:43,030
you're listening to jimmy church and

2293
01:32:49,620 --> 01:32:44,560
fade to black

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01:32:49,630 --> 01:33:01,510
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2362
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2363
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2364
01:36:04,470 --> 01:36:01,510
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2365
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2366
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[Music]

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01:36:42,580 --> 01:36:31,540
so

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01:36:42,590 --> 01:36:51,750
[Music]

2370
01:36:55,350 --> 01:36:53,669
welcome back fade to black i am your

2371
01:36:56,870 --> 01:36:55,360
host jimmy church tonight grant cameron

2372
01:37:01,189 --> 01:36:56,880
is here

2373
01:37:03,510 --> 01:37:01,199
whoo man what a conversation tonight and

2374
01:37:05,430 --> 01:37:03,520
i'm always learning stuff that's what i

2375
01:37:06,610 --> 01:37:05,440
do on this show that's why i bring on

2376
01:37:09,189 --> 01:37:06,620
people like grant

2377
01:37:10,229 --> 01:37:09,199
[Laughter]

2378
01:37:15,030 --> 01:37:10,239
um

2379
01:37:19,910 --> 01:37:15,040
tf report grant

2380
01:37:22,470 --> 01:37:19,920
um and i want your overall take first

2381
01:37:25,109 --> 01:37:22,480
as you read through the report yeah it's

2382
01:37:27,910 --> 01:37:25,119
redacted i think uh some of the

2383
01:37:29,830 --> 01:37:27,920
redactions are more revealing than

2384
01:37:31,590 --> 01:37:29,840
actually what is there

2385
01:37:34,149 --> 01:37:31,600
because you can fill in the blanks but

2386
01:37:36,629 --> 01:37:34,159
what was your overall impression uh as

2387
01:37:38,790 --> 01:37:36,639
you read through it

2388
01:37:41,350 --> 01:37:38,800
um well it's making it's making progress

2389
01:37:43,109 --> 01:37:41,360
i mean it's um you know it's a move to

2390
01:37:45,270 --> 01:37:43,119
get it in the open but again it comes

2391
01:37:47,030 --> 01:37:45,280
down to 144 sightings so they're talking

2392
01:37:48,950 --> 01:37:47,040
about 144 sightings and i can't remember

2393
01:37:51,990 --> 01:37:48,960
what it was 40

2394
01:37:53,990 --> 01:37:52,000
have you know multiple sensors and

2395
01:37:55,590 --> 01:37:54,000
uh again it's like they they sort of

2396
01:37:56,870 --> 01:37:55,600
throw it out like the canadians did and

2397
01:37:58,470 --> 01:37:56,880
the canadians are much more open about

2398
01:37:59,830 --> 01:37:58,480
it it's like well it could be anything

2399
01:38:01,990 --> 01:37:59,840
you know it you know we we don't know

2400
01:38:03,270 --> 01:38:02,000
for sure and that's always going to be a

2401
01:38:05,270 --> 01:38:03,280
conclusion

2402
01:38:07,030 --> 01:38:05,280
is we really don't know

2403
01:38:08,550 --> 01:38:07,040
what it is and there's all these

2404
01:38:09,590 --> 01:38:08,560
alternatives and whatever it's like how

2405
01:38:11,270 --> 01:38:09,600
do you prove

2406
01:38:13,510 --> 01:38:11,280
we've been trying to prove since roswell

2407
01:38:14,950 --> 01:38:13,520
75 years ago that this thing's for real

2408
01:38:15,910 --> 01:38:14,960
and people who don't want the thing

2409
01:38:17,669 --> 01:38:15,920
proved to them aren't going to get

2410
01:38:20,229 --> 01:38:17,679
approved so they're they're moving

2411
01:38:23,590 --> 01:38:20,239
farther along it's still always going to

2412
01:38:25,669 --> 01:38:23,600
be the the classified aspect that um dr

2413
01:38:27,350 --> 01:38:25,679
eric walker when we talked to dr eric

2414
01:38:29,030 --> 01:38:27,360
walker it's you're always going to get

2415
01:38:31,189 --> 01:38:29,040
the thing and i was trying to get to bob

2416
01:38:33,510 --> 01:38:31,199
mcguire about what he thought about this

2417
01:38:35,910 --> 01:38:33,520
with the gillibrand amendment is how

2418
01:38:36,950 --> 01:38:35,920
much of this is actually going to be

2419
01:38:41,430 --> 01:38:36,960
public

2420
01:38:44,310 --> 01:38:41,440
atip they were not allowed to

2421
01:38:45,830 --> 01:38:44,320
investigate citizens it's the old deal

2422
01:38:49,350 --> 01:38:45,840
and that's why they weren't involved in

2423
01:38:52,550 --> 01:38:49,360
skinwalker ranch and um so the the

2424
01:38:54,470 --> 01:38:52,560
question is you still have just military

2425
01:38:55,910 --> 01:38:54,480
sightings being investigated and it's

2426
01:38:57,990 --> 01:38:55,920
this threat thing because that's how you

2427
01:38:59,270 --> 01:38:58,000
get the the money if there's no threat

2428
01:39:00,550 --> 01:38:59,280
it's the old idea you could this thing

2429
01:39:01,990 --> 01:39:00,560
could be shut down there's no threat

2430
01:39:03,750 --> 01:39:02,000
nobody's gonna the government couldn't

2431
01:39:06,310 --> 01:39:03,760
care less they don't care about

2432
01:39:10,149 --> 01:39:06,320
investigating ufos uh there has to be

2433
01:39:14,310 --> 01:39:10,159
some sort of uh sphere in in there so

2434
01:39:16,070 --> 01:39:14,320
you have these 144 sightings you have um

2435
01:39:17,430 --> 01:39:16,080
really nothing disclosed about them it's

2436
01:39:18,629 --> 01:39:17,440
all going to be military stuff that's

2437
01:39:20,149 --> 01:39:18,639
never going to be released they're never

2438
01:39:23,030 --> 01:39:20,159
going to uh

2439
01:39:25,189 --> 01:39:23,040
release and dr eric walker when we came

2440
01:39:27,270 --> 01:39:25,199
to it like people think lots it's very

2441
01:39:30,390 --> 01:39:27,280
easy we want to we want to get this

2442
01:39:32,709 --> 01:39:30,400
material and so walker would say he said

2443
01:39:33,750 --> 01:39:32,719
to us he said why should we change the

2444
01:39:35,750 --> 01:39:33,760
rules

2445
01:39:37,750 --> 01:39:35,760
to satisfy your curiosity

2446
01:39:39,109 --> 01:39:37,760
and that's exactly what's going on

2447
01:39:42,149 --> 01:39:39,119
people are just curious they want to

2448
01:39:43,830 --> 01:39:42,159
know what it is and if you're in in in

2449
01:39:44,950 --> 01:39:43,840
the black world and you want to try to

2450
01:39:46,870 --> 01:39:44,960
figure out how this thing works and you

2451
01:39:48,390 --> 01:39:46,880
want to develop some technology from it

2452
01:39:50,550 --> 01:39:48,400
why would you release it why would why

2453
01:39:52,950 --> 01:39:50,560
would you put it out and walker even

2454
01:39:54,709 --> 01:39:52,960
told us at one point he said like

2455
01:39:57,270 --> 01:39:54,719
you're curious admit it you're just

2456
01:39:59,830 --> 01:39:57,280
curious or the story about bush talking

2457
01:40:02,070 --> 01:39:59,840
to carter in the president's elect

2458
01:40:03,750 --> 01:40:02,080
briefing curiosity is not sufficient

2459
01:40:05,510 --> 01:40:03,760
need to know they really don't care that

2460
01:40:07,590 --> 01:40:05,520
we we want to know what's going on or

2461
01:40:10,310 --> 01:40:07,600
whatever the classified part is always

2462
01:40:11,510 --> 01:40:10,320
going to be you know uh

2463
01:40:12,870 --> 01:40:11,520
held because

2464
01:40:14,390 --> 01:40:12,880
they haven't figured it out and they

2465
01:40:16,390 --> 01:40:14,400
they want to figure it out before the

2466
01:40:18,310 --> 01:40:16,400
the the russians and the chinese so

2467
01:40:20,390 --> 01:40:18,320
that's one of the problems and and the

2468
01:40:23,990 --> 01:40:20,400
idea that you can't really investigate

2469
01:40:25,430 --> 01:40:24,000
the civilians uh is another problem and

2470
01:40:27,830 --> 01:40:25,440
the fact that they would they won't

2471
01:40:30,390 --> 01:40:27,840
they're dealing with just sightings with

2472
01:40:33,750 --> 01:40:30,400
military craft or the the nimitz all the

2473
01:40:35,109 --> 01:40:33,760
nuclear stuff and when when i say that

2474
01:40:36,629 --> 01:40:35,119
you need to look at is you need to look

2475
01:40:37,590 --> 01:40:36,639
at the experiences the people who are

2476
01:40:38,950 --> 01:40:37,600
actually interacting with the

2477
01:40:40,390 --> 01:40:38,960
intelligence this is not interacting

2478
01:40:42,470 --> 01:40:40,400
with the intelligence this is just

2479
01:40:44,149 --> 01:40:42,480
watching still lights in the sky and

2480
01:40:45,669 --> 01:40:44,159
reports and stuff like that and it's

2481
01:40:47,350 --> 01:40:45,679
never going to get beyond like like

2482
01:40:48,790 --> 01:40:47,360
collecting matchbook covers we got more

2483
01:40:50,390 --> 01:40:48,800
and more we got millions and we got 2

2484
01:40:51,910 --> 01:40:50,400
million we've got 3 million reports or

2485
01:40:53,510 --> 01:40:51,920
whatever and they're always going to

2486
01:40:55,590 --> 01:40:53,520
come back with the same sort of thing to

2487
01:40:57,669 --> 01:40:55,600
say well you know we really don't know

2488
01:41:00,790 --> 01:40:57,679
100 for sure it could be this could be

2489
01:41:02,310 --> 01:41:00,800
that and so but we are moving in the

2490
01:41:04,310 --> 01:41:02,320
direction where

2491
01:41:07,030 --> 01:41:04,320
there's an acknowledgement and that's

2492
01:41:08,149 --> 01:41:07,040
what max planck said in the end

2493
01:41:09,189 --> 01:41:08,159
we're not going to convince people

2494
01:41:11,830 --> 01:41:09,199
there's not going to be a day where it's

2495
01:41:14,070 --> 01:41:11,840
all going to suddenly be known it's he

2496
01:41:16,790 --> 01:41:14,080
said you'd not convince your opponent by

2497
01:41:18,870 --> 01:41:16,800
uh you know showing him that he's wrong

2498
01:41:20,390 --> 01:41:18,880
it will come with when people die and

2499
01:41:22,390 --> 01:41:20,400
the new generation is not offended with

2500
01:41:24,870 --> 01:41:22,400
the idea this idea where pete is going

2501
01:41:26,229 --> 01:41:24,880
to die you know one funeral a time young

2502
01:41:27,830 --> 01:41:26,239
kids will say yeah this is for real we

2503
01:41:29,830 --> 01:41:27,840
know there's there's uh

2504
01:41:31,590 --> 01:41:29,840
life there's intelligence there's ufos

2505
01:41:33,189 --> 01:41:31,600
are real that sort of stuff so it's it's

2506
01:41:35,030 --> 01:41:33,199
going to be shifting

2507
01:41:36,470 --> 01:41:35,040
uh but i don't think you're ever going

2508
01:41:38,790 --> 01:41:36,480
to see

2509
01:41:40,709 --> 01:41:38,800
them actually come out especially if

2510
01:41:42,070 --> 01:41:40,719
it's et because i i'm the more i look at

2511
01:41:43,270 --> 01:41:42,080
it the more i think it's not going to

2512
01:41:45,189 --> 01:41:43,280
turn out to be that it's going to be

2513
01:41:47,590 --> 01:41:45,199
much more complex than that

2514
01:41:50,390 --> 01:41:47,600
and um well i want to take a look i want

2515
01:41:53,590 --> 01:41:50,400
to take a look at page four

2516
01:41:56,629 --> 01:41:53,600
because this addresses uh a lot of what

2517
01:41:59,350 --> 01:41:56,639
you have mentioned tonight on the show

2518
01:42:02,550 --> 01:41:59,360
um and i want to get to a couple of very

2519
01:42:05,189 --> 01:42:02,560
specific points in this number one

2520
01:42:09,350 --> 01:42:05,199
we are now introduced to

2521
01:42:10,149 --> 01:42:09,360
range fowler and what a range fowler is

2522
01:42:12,709 --> 01:42:10,159
now

2523
01:42:15,030 --> 01:42:12,719
it starts off at the top of uh page four

2524
01:42:18,870 --> 01:42:15,040
where it says uh

2525
01:42:19,910 --> 01:42:18,880
uh the uapta focused on a data set uh

2526
01:42:21,990 --> 01:42:19,920
probably

2527
01:42:24,310 --> 01:42:22,000
all of these redactions involved uap

2528
01:42:27,189 --> 01:42:24,320
largely witnessed firsthand by military

2529
01:42:30,470 --> 01:42:27,199
aviators that were collected from 2004

2530
01:42:32,149 --> 01:42:30,480
to 2021 the majority coming in the last

2531
01:42:34,629 --> 01:42:32,159
two years

2532
01:42:37,510 --> 01:42:34,639
as new reporting mechanism became better

2533
01:42:40,310 --> 01:42:37,520
known uh to the military aviation

2534
01:42:42,470 --> 01:42:40,320
community and then it goes on to say

2535
01:42:46,870 --> 01:42:42,480
in um in in

2536
01:42:48,550 --> 01:42:46,880
of the 144 incidents only one uh was

2537
01:42:52,070 --> 01:42:48,560
they were able to identify as a

2538
01:42:53,950 --> 01:42:52,080
deflating balloon but it ends with the

2539
01:42:58,070 --> 01:42:53,960
others remain

2540
01:43:00,950 --> 01:42:58,080
unexplained the 144 reports originated

2541
01:43:04,229 --> 01:43:00,960
from united states government sources of

2542
01:43:07,189 --> 01:43:04,239
these 80 reports involved observation

2543
01:43:09,510 --> 01:43:07,199
with multiple sensors including redacted

2544
01:43:12,470 --> 01:43:09,520
the remaining redacted observed

2545
01:43:13,910 --> 01:43:12,480
incidents were captured by redacted

2546
01:43:15,750 --> 01:43:13,920
now

2547
01:43:17,830 --> 01:43:15,760
this is uh

2548
01:43:19,270 --> 01:43:17,840
probably the most interesting part of

2549
01:43:22,709 --> 01:43:19,280
this page

2550
01:43:26,470 --> 01:43:22,719
of the 144 usg reports

2551
01:43:29,430 --> 01:43:26,480
redacted originated from navy range

2552
01:43:31,510 --> 01:43:29,440
fowler reports which provide basic

2553
01:43:32,790 --> 01:43:31,520
information such as time date location

2554
01:43:33,830 --> 01:43:32,800
description and what occurred at the

2555
01:43:36,149 --> 01:43:33,840
event

2556
01:43:38,070 --> 01:43:36,159
blank reports were a combination of

2557
01:43:40,149 --> 01:43:38,080
united states air force marine corps

2558
01:43:42,950 --> 01:43:40,159
coast guard and other united states

2559
01:43:44,550 --> 01:43:42,960
government agencies uap were described

2560
01:43:48,390 --> 01:43:44,560
in most reports

2561
01:43:52,149 --> 01:43:48,400
as objects that interrupted pre-planned

2562
01:43:54,470 --> 01:43:52,159
training or other military activity now

2563
01:43:55,590 --> 01:43:54,480
uh at the bottom of the page

2564
01:43:58,470 --> 01:43:55,600
it says

2565
01:44:00,629 --> 01:43:58,480
it's all redacted although the reports

2566
01:44:03,990 --> 01:44:00,639
redacted the description of unknown

2567
01:44:06,550 --> 01:44:04,000
targets redacted that entire paragraph

2568
01:44:09,109 --> 01:44:06,560
is redacted so we don't have any idea

2569
01:44:11,590 --> 01:44:09,119
what that is but then it continues

2570
01:44:15,030 --> 01:44:11,600
redacted as in limited number of

2571
01:44:18,390 --> 01:44:15,040
incidences now uh instances

2572
01:44:21,590 --> 01:44:18,400
the united states aviators define a

2573
01:44:23,430 --> 01:44:21,600
range fowler as an activity or object

2574
01:44:25,669 --> 01:44:23,440
that interrupts pre-planned training or

2575
01:44:29,590 --> 01:44:25,679
other military activity in a military

2576
01:44:33,270 --> 01:44:29,600
operating area or restricted airspace

2577
01:44:36,870 --> 01:44:33,280
followed by redacted and redacted

2578
01:44:38,870 --> 01:44:36,880
this is uh very revealing to me and if

2579
01:44:40,870 --> 01:44:38,880
we go back to that one

2580
01:44:45,750 --> 01:44:40,880
it's a four words

2581
01:44:47,510 --> 01:44:45,760
the others remain unexplained that's 143

2582
01:44:51,030 --> 01:44:47,520
reports

2583
01:44:52,229 --> 01:44:51,040
that are unexplained

2584
01:44:55,510 --> 01:44:52,239
yeah

2585
01:44:58,390 --> 01:44:55,520
the the key is ufos exist it absolutely

2586
01:45:00,470 --> 01:44:58,400
we're still on this 1947 thing right

2587
01:45:02,310 --> 01:45:00,480
that we're like guys with no girlfriends

2588
01:45:04,790 --> 01:45:02,320
and we need a girlfriend we need this

2589
01:45:06,310 --> 01:45:04,800
confirmed we need we need someone to in

2590
01:45:08,550 --> 01:45:06,320
authority to tell us that this is for

2591
01:45:10,390 --> 01:45:08,560
real and well i i've got the advantage

2592
01:45:11,750 --> 01:45:10,400
that i had a pretty close encounter

2593
01:45:13,510 --> 01:45:11,760
first two times i thought it came in

2594
01:45:15,109 --> 01:45:13,520
pretty close to me and i've never had

2595
01:45:17,669 --> 01:45:15,119
any doubt but we we keep going through

2596
01:45:19,830 --> 01:45:17,679
this thing yeah ufos exist it's it's

2597
01:45:22,229 --> 01:45:19,840
almost like there's a quote from from

2598
01:45:24,870 --> 01:45:22,239
hell put off where he says

2599
01:45:26,310 --> 01:45:24,880
it's a it's a um

2600
01:45:28,629 --> 01:45:26,320
um

2601
01:45:30,629 --> 01:45:28,639
it's a ufo get over it i mean yeah ufos

2602
01:45:31,669 --> 01:45:30,639
exist and so they're they're running the

2603
01:45:33,109 --> 01:45:31,679
same thing we're getting better and

2604
01:45:34,709 --> 01:45:33,119
better information yeah that's for real

2605
01:45:36,629 --> 01:45:34,719
yeah it's for real but we're still it's

2606
01:45:38,790 --> 01:45:36,639
like rodney dangerfield of science we're

2607
01:45:40,070 --> 01:45:38,800
we're so embarrassed that we you know

2608
01:45:42,070 --> 01:45:40,080
people aren't believing us and stuff

2609
01:45:44,229 --> 01:45:42,080
like that hell this is what jack vale

2610
01:45:45,910 --> 01:45:44,239
said instead of looking at the screen

2611
01:45:47,910 --> 01:45:45,920
what i want to do is turn around and

2612
01:45:50,149 --> 01:45:47,920
look the other way when we look the

2613
01:45:51,590 --> 01:45:50,159
other way we see there's a little hole

2614
01:45:52,950 --> 01:45:51,600
at the top of the wall with some light

2615
01:45:54,390 --> 01:45:52,960
coming out of it that's where i want to

2616
01:45:57,350 --> 01:45:54,400
go i want to steal the key to the

2617
01:45:58,870 --> 01:45:57,360
projectionist booth and when and then

2618
01:46:00,550 --> 01:45:58,880
when everybody's gone home i want to

2619
01:46:01,750 --> 01:46:00,560
break in right so we keep running this

2620
01:46:02,790 --> 01:46:01,760
thing and that's why i said we're never

2621
01:46:04,709 --> 01:46:02,800
going to get to the end because they're

2622
01:46:07,669 --> 01:46:04,719
going to say yeah the the there's

2623
01:46:09,750 --> 01:46:07,679
unidentified even in in the blue book 20

2624
01:46:11,750 --> 01:46:09,760
as stanton used to point out 22

2625
01:46:12,950 --> 01:46:11,760
unidentified in the blue book and now

2626
01:46:14,870 --> 01:46:12,960
we're doing it again and we're just

2627
01:46:16,470 --> 01:46:14,880
going to keep doing it over and over and

2628
01:46:18,629 --> 01:46:16,480
it's the idea is how many times did they

2629
01:46:20,229 --> 01:46:18,639
pass the basketball 16 times everybody's

2630
01:46:21,430 --> 01:46:20,239
missing what's actually going on we're

2631
01:46:23,109 --> 01:46:21,440
not talking to the people who are

2632
01:46:24,790 --> 01:46:23,119
interacting we're just doing more

2633
01:46:26,950 --> 01:46:24,800
sighting reports and and better sighting

2634
01:46:29,270 --> 01:46:26,960
reports and better videos and and and

2635
01:46:31,430 --> 01:46:29,280
trying to evaluate it yeah ufos exist i

2636
01:46:33,669 --> 01:46:31,440
i don't deny that but we have to get

2637
01:46:35,669 --> 01:46:33,679
past ufo's exist and move on to the to

2638
01:46:38,310 --> 01:46:35,679
the next step otherwise we're back in

2639
01:46:43,910 --> 01:46:38,320
1947. it uh

2640
01:46:46,310 --> 01:46:43,920
there is um uh a breakout on page five

2641
01:46:49,669 --> 01:46:46,320
um and it's colored in yellow and the

2642
01:46:51,590 --> 01:46:49,679
last point uh in this there's two points

2643
01:46:54,629 --> 01:46:51,600
on page five grant

2644
01:46:56,790 --> 01:46:54,639
that are extremely telling

2645
01:46:58,550 --> 01:46:56,800
and so the last point in the yellow box

2646
01:47:01,350 --> 01:46:58,560
it's a bullet point it says

2647
01:47:04,629 --> 01:47:01,360
sensor vantage points and the numbers of

2648
01:47:07,590 --> 01:47:04,639
sensors concurrently observing an object

2649
01:47:09,270 --> 01:47:07,600
play substantial roles in distinguishing

2650
01:47:11,430 --> 01:47:09,280
uap

2651
01:47:14,709 --> 01:47:11,440
from known objects and determining

2652
01:47:17,350 --> 01:47:14,719
whether a uap demonstrates breakthrough

2653
01:47:19,350 --> 01:47:17,360
aerospace capabilities

2654
01:47:22,070 --> 01:47:19,360
optical sensors have the benefit of

2655
01:47:24,629 --> 01:47:22,080
providing some insight into the relative

2656
01:47:28,550 --> 01:47:24,639
size shape and structure

2657
01:47:31,189 --> 01:47:28,560
then they go on and continue

2658
01:47:33,350 --> 01:47:31,199
where they point out

2659
01:47:35,430 --> 01:47:33,360
that uap sightings also tended to

2660
01:47:37,750 --> 01:47:35,440
cluster around u.s training and testing

2661
01:47:40,149 --> 01:47:37,760
grounds but we assess

2662
01:47:41,830 --> 01:47:40,159
that this may be the result of

2663
01:47:43,430 --> 01:47:41,840
collection bias

2664
01:47:44,950 --> 01:47:43,440
in other words they've got all the

2665
01:47:48,310 --> 01:47:44,960
sensors they've got all the radar

2666
01:47:51,030 --> 01:47:48,320
capability they've got the

2667
01:47:52,470 --> 01:47:51,040
the ability to look at infrared and

2668
01:47:53,830 --> 01:47:52,480
other uh

2669
01:47:56,070 --> 01:47:53,840
data points

2670
01:47:58,870 --> 01:47:56,080
uh in these areas because of the

2671
01:48:01,750 --> 01:47:58,880
military uh capabilities that are in

2672
01:48:05,189 --> 01:48:01,760
that area but this stuff is going on all

2673
01:48:08,550 --> 01:48:05,199
over the place where we also don't have

2674
01:48:11,189 --> 01:48:08,560
the sensor data to read this and that is

2675
01:48:13,669 --> 01:48:11,199
a very interesting point in and

2676
01:48:16,070 --> 01:48:13,679
paragraph you

2677
01:48:18,310 --> 01:48:16,080
okay i understand but and and there's

2678
01:48:20,550 --> 01:48:18,320
two points there number one as i pointed

2679
01:48:22,470 --> 01:48:20,560
out 1975

2680
01:48:24,229 --> 01:48:22,480
when travis walton was abducted there

2681
01:48:25,750 --> 01:48:24,239
was a document leaked

2682
01:48:28,149 --> 01:48:25,760
the national enquirer actually went to

2683
01:48:31,750 --> 01:48:28,159
foi and paid all the search huge money

2684
01:48:33,430 --> 01:48:31,760
for this search that was where the uh

2685
01:48:37,990 --> 01:48:33,440
minor air force base

2686
01:48:42,390 --> 01:48:39,109
malstrom

2687
01:48:44,950 --> 01:48:42,400
and the one in maine all had ufos inside

2688
01:48:47,189 --> 01:48:44,960
the weapon storage area so we've known

2689
01:48:49,830 --> 01:48:47,199
that they're very interested in the the

2690
01:48:51,990 --> 01:48:49,840
nuclear weapon thing uh that's probably

2691
01:48:53,910 --> 01:48:52,000
why they were following the the uh the

2692
01:48:55,669 --> 01:48:53,920
nuclear carrier the the nimitz because

2693
01:48:58,310 --> 01:48:55,679
they as el dozando said it had more

2694
01:49:01,109 --> 01:48:58,320
nuclear power than the state of new york

2695
01:49:02,950 --> 01:49:01,119
i mean so they have that and but we

2696
01:49:05,109 --> 01:49:02,960
there's a map that was actually produced

2697
01:49:07,590 --> 01:49:05,119
by blue book by um

2698
01:49:09,750 --> 01:49:07,600
in 1949 before blue book started i think

2699
01:49:13,990 --> 01:49:09,760
it was 49 or 50 that showed the same

2700
01:49:17,189 --> 01:49:14,000
thing hanford uh los alamos all the the

2701
01:49:18,870 --> 01:49:17,199
same thing all the the major uh military

2702
01:49:20,790 --> 01:49:18,880
places in the united states where they

2703
01:49:22,870 --> 01:49:20,800
were making atomic bombs or doing this

2704
01:49:24,470 --> 01:49:22,880
kind of stuff or roswell's

2705
01:49:25,990 --> 01:49:24,480
all were we've known this we've known

2706
01:49:28,390 --> 01:49:26,000
this forever that they have this

2707
01:49:30,629 --> 01:49:28,400
interest in in the u.s military

2708
01:49:32,070 --> 01:49:30,639
capability but again it still comes back

2709
01:49:34,550 --> 01:49:32,080
to this idea that there are better

2710
01:49:36,229 --> 01:49:34,560
sensors yes and they can demonstrate

2711
01:49:38,149 --> 01:49:36,239
that they have capabilities that our

2712
01:49:39,830 --> 01:49:38,159
planes don't have well we already know

2713
01:49:41,830 --> 01:49:39,840
that from the nimitz where they where

2714
01:49:44,229 --> 01:49:41,840
they where they describe the object jump

2715
01:49:46,950 --> 01:49:44,239
dropping from 80 000 feet down to sea

2716
01:49:49,750 --> 01:49:46,960
level in 7 8 of a second which i say

2717
01:49:53,109 --> 01:49:49,760
1975 my sighting that got me to go out

2718
01:49:55,109 --> 01:49:53,119
there was was called the the cky film

2719
01:49:56,390 --> 01:49:55,119
where the object was on the ground and

2720
01:49:59,270 --> 01:49:56,400
it jumped from the ground

2721
01:50:01,750 --> 01:49:59,280
to 5000 feet in the air in

2722
01:50:04,229 --> 01:50:01,760
three frames of film two two twenty

2723
01:50:06,229 --> 01:50:04,239
fourths of a second and it jumped five

2724
01:50:07,750 --> 01:50:06,239
thousand feet and was caught on film so

2725
01:50:10,709 --> 01:50:07,760
yeah we know this we know that it's got

2726
01:50:12,870 --> 01:50:10,719
this capabilities and there's varying

2727
01:50:14,790 --> 01:50:12,880
degrees of material but we're still

2728
01:50:16,390 --> 01:50:14,800
recycling the same thing there's better

2729
01:50:18,229 --> 01:50:16,400
evidence yeah ufos exist and we get

2730
01:50:19,510 --> 01:50:18,239
better evidence and better evidence but

2731
01:50:21,750 --> 01:50:19,520
it's almost like we're still trying to

2732
01:50:23,830 --> 01:50:21,760
convince people that ufos exist we need

2733
01:50:25,030 --> 01:50:23,840
to get past that because we're just

2734
01:50:27,189 --> 01:50:25,040
going to keep we can do this for the

2735
01:50:29,030 --> 01:50:27,199
next 300 years just keep recycling and

2736
01:50:30,550 --> 01:50:29,040
getting better sensors and better

2737
01:50:32,550 --> 01:50:30,560
evaluation yeah it looks more like

2738
01:50:35,030 --> 01:50:32,560
there's ufos or whatever there are ufos

2739
01:50:36,629 --> 01:50:35,040
that we i think we have to get past that

2740
01:50:39,270 --> 01:50:36,639
and uh

2741
01:50:42,470 --> 01:50:39,280
i brought this up the other uh night uh

2742
01:50:44,070 --> 01:50:42,480
with uh sean cahill uh last week

2743
01:50:46,950 --> 01:50:44,080
um page

2744
01:50:50,070 --> 01:50:46,960
six reads like uh

2745
01:50:54,390 --> 01:50:50,080
a science fiction screenplay

2746
01:50:56,390 --> 01:50:54,400
and uh where now most of this is largely

2747
01:50:57,350 --> 01:50:56,400
redacted but if you fill in the blanks

2748
01:51:00,310 --> 01:50:57,360
right

2749
01:51:03,030 --> 01:51:00,320
um observed this at the top of patrick's

2750
01:51:05,270 --> 01:51:03,040
observed uap usually travel between

2751
01:51:07,669 --> 01:51:05,280
blank and blank altitudes varied for

2752
01:51:10,310 --> 01:51:07,679
these objects but frequently registered

2753
01:51:12,229 --> 01:51:10,320
between blank and blank means c level

2754
01:51:15,350 --> 01:51:12,239
which we have cases however in which the

2755
01:51:17,669 --> 01:51:15,360
observer perceived the uap demonstrated

2756
01:51:22,229 --> 01:51:17,679
blank and another in which the uap was

2757
01:51:25,109 --> 01:51:22,239
detected blank feet msl in 18 incidents

2758
01:51:27,669 --> 01:51:25,119
described in 21 reports observers

2759
01:51:29,990 --> 01:51:27,679
reported unusual uap movement patterns

2760
01:51:33,990 --> 01:51:30,000
or flight characteristics a few of these

2761
01:51:36,950 --> 01:51:34,000
objects described uap behavior blank

2762
01:51:38,870 --> 01:51:36,960
some uap appeared to remain stationary

2763
01:51:41,189 --> 01:51:38,880
in winsloft and move against the wind

2764
01:51:44,070 --> 01:51:41,199
maneuver abruptly or move at

2765
01:51:46,550 --> 01:51:44,080
considerable speed without discernible

2766
01:51:48,950 --> 01:51:46,560
means of propulsion

2767
01:51:51,830 --> 01:51:48,960
small number of cases military aircraft

2768
01:51:55,189 --> 01:51:51,840
systems processed radio frequency rf

2769
01:51:57,669 --> 01:51:55,199
energy associated with the uap sightings

2770
01:52:00,149 --> 01:51:57,679
this is they're talking about

2771
01:52:01,109 --> 01:52:00,159
uh something extraterrestrial they they

2772
01:52:03,669 --> 01:52:01,119
don't

2773
01:52:05,910 --> 01:52:03,679
know

2774
01:52:07,750 --> 01:52:05,920
of a terrestrial version of what they're

2775
01:52:11,430 --> 01:52:07,760
looking at their sensors aren't giving

2776
01:52:16,470 --> 01:52:14,149
they're basically saying yes this is not

2777
01:52:17,350 --> 01:52:16,480
our stuff and nobody's nobody's denying

2778
01:52:20,470 --> 01:52:17,360
that

2779
01:52:22,149 --> 01:52:20,480
but i would bet you the farm they're not

2780
01:52:23,589 --> 01:52:22,159
going to say ct they're they're not

2781
01:52:25,189 --> 01:52:23,599
going to say they're going to say that

2782
01:52:26,390 --> 01:52:25,199
it's it's not ours

2783
01:52:28,550 --> 01:52:26,400
that's what i'm saying if you listen to

2784
01:52:29,990 --> 01:52:28,560
the the people they don't really say

2785
01:52:32,790 --> 01:52:30,000
yeah this is absolutely et they're

2786
01:52:35,030 --> 01:52:32,800
saying this is very strange and and when

2787
01:52:37,109 --> 01:52:35,040
you get into the the real start talking

2788
01:52:39,750 --> 01:52:37,119
to the experiencers and and like what

2789
01:52:41,910 --> 01:52:39,760
jim semivan experienced and

2790
01:52:43,430 --> 01:52:41,920
tyler d and all these kind of stuff you

2791
01:52:46,870 --> 01:52:43,440
start to realize this thing is a lot

2792
01:52:48,950 --> 01:52:46,880
weirder than just it it's it's it's some

2793
01:52:50,950 --> 01:52:48,960
weird sort of thing that doesn't make

2794
01:52:53,109 --> 01:52:50,960
any sense and it's not as physical as we

2795
01:52:55,109 --> 01:52:53,119
think it is so yeah i mean these these

2796
01:52:57,510 --> 01:52:55,119
sensors are are getting better but

2797
01:53:00,149 --> 01:52:57,520
they're at no point in this thing and

2798
01:53:02,629 --> 01:53:00,159
that's my point is at no point are they

2799
01:53:04,229 --> 01:53:02,639
going to say yeah we've decided it's e.t

2800
01:53:06,310 --> 01:53:04,239
that's it it's over they're just going

2801
01:53:07,350 --> 01:53:06,320
to keep saying oh you know we need more

2802
01:53:09,750 --> 01:53:07,360
data

2803
01:53:12,390 --> 01:53:09,760
and they've been this has been done over

2804
01:53:14,229 --> 01:53:12,400
and over again for 75 years and and

2805
01:53:16,629 --> 01:53:14,239
we're getting closer in terms of

2806
01:53:18,310 --> 01:53:16,639
changing the population's idea that this

2807
01:53:20,390 --> 01:53:18,320
thing's for real so i will agree that

2808
01:53:22,149 --> 01:53:20,400
that that these public reports are

2809
01:53:25,189 --> 01:53:22,159
changing the general

2810
01:53:27,589 --> 01:53:25,199
uh attitude of the people where guys

2811
01:53:29,109 --> 01:53:27,599
like uh eric weinstein weinstein comes

2812
01:53:31,109 --> 01:53:29,119
out and says you know i can't believe

2813
01:53:32,709 --> 01:53:31,119
i've been had you know like you know he

2814
01:53:34,149 --> 01:53:32,719
suddenly believes that that there's

2815
01:53:35,750 --> 01:53:34,159
something to this

2816
01:53:37,830 --> 01:53:35,760
and you're gonna get some scientists who

2817
01:53:39,589 --> 01:53:37,840
are gonna are gonna move across and

2818
01:53:42,070 --> 01:53:39,599
realize that that there's something to

2819
01:53:43,910 --> 01:53:42,080
this yeah that that but i really doubt

2820
01:53:45,910 --> 01:53:43,920
that you're ever going to get them say

2821
01:53:48,390 --> 01:53:45,920
yeah we've figured out what this is

2822
01:53:51,350 --> 01:53:48,400
everybody obama the president say

2823
01:53:53,669 --> 01:53:51,360
elizondo says semivans say they all say

2824
01:53:55,589 --> 01:53:53,679
yeah even

2825
01:53:57,510 --> 01:53:55,599
when in some events they're not even

2826
01:53:58,790 --> 01:53:57,520
going to know which direction to go in

2827
01:54:00,709 --> 01:53:58,800
that's what he's saying and he knows

2828
01:54:02,470 --> 01:54:00,719
more than you and i he's on the inside

2829
01:54:04,470 --> 01:54:02,480
he's with this hundred

2830
01:54:07,270 --> 01:54:04,480
member group and he talks to people and

2831
01:54:08,950 --> 01:54:07,280
stuff like he's not been read in on ufos

2832
01:54:10,470 --> 01:54:08,960
he's seen the classified report but he's

2833
01:54:12,310 --> 01:54:10,480
not been read in but he's talked to kit

2834
01:54:14,550 --> 01:54:12,320
green and stuff and even the thing where

2835
01:54:16,470 --> 01:54:14,560
he has the the thing where you start to

2836
01:54:18,790 --> 01:54:16,480
see see the things that he says that i

2837
01:54:20,870 --> 01:54:18,800
find significant when he when he has

2838
01:54:22,709 --> 01:54:20,880
this encounter with this this being

2839
01:54:24,550 --> 01:54:22,719
first he's talking about his his soul

2840
01:54:25,589 --> 01:54:24,560
soul guys he's talking this guy's

2841
01:54:27,270 --> 01:54:25,599
talking about soul guys and then he

2842
01:54:28,870 --> 01:54:27,280
talks about this this being with the

2843
01:54:30,709 --> 01:54:28,880
with the hooded figure and he says i go

2844
01:54:32,149 --> 01:54:30,719
to my friend who is working with me and

2845
01:54:33,589 --> 01:54:32,159
that's definitely kid green he goes to

2846
01:54:35,589 --> 01:54:33,599
kit green he says he tells them about

2847
01:54:39,030 --> 01:54:35,599
this this hooded figure coming and then

2848
01:54:40,629 --> 01:54:39,040
kid green says oh go go i'm assuming i'm

2849
01:54:42,149 --> 01:54:40,639
just assuming it's kate green he says go

2850
01:54:44,310 --> 01:54:42,159
into meditation

2851
01:54:45,830 --> 01:54:44,320
summon it back and and encount and

2852
01:54:47,990 --> 01:54:45,840
engage with it anyway so i'm not going

2853
01:54:50,310 --> 01:54:48,000
to do that and when you hear that you go

2854
01:54:52,149 --> 01:54:50,320
like holy cow they know what's going on

2855
01:54:53,990 --> 01:54:52,159
or i leak this tape with kit green

2856
01:54:55,830 --> 01:54:54,000
talking to k randall may you probably

2857
01:54:57,750 --> 01:54:55,840
heard the tape and you listen to that

2858
01:55:00,070 --> 01:54:57,760
thing where k randall may is describing

2859
01:55:01,990 --> 01:55:00,080
what's going on and and you know the

2860
01:55:03,350 --> 01:55:02,000
beings and and the dimensions and all

2861
01:55:04,709 --> 01:55:03,360
this kind of stuff and kit green's going

2862
01:55:07,510 --> 01:55:04,719
hang on let me write that down hang on

2863
01:55:09,350 --> 01:55:07,520
stop stop stop right like it's like

2864
01:55:10,709 --> 01:55:09,360
normal stuff and you and then you that's

2865
01:55:11,510 --> 01:55:10,719
what i keep saying when you listen to

2866
01:55:13,030 --> 01:55:11,520
them

2867
01:55:14,470 --> 01:55:13,040
at this high at these high levels what

2868
01:55:16,470 --> 01:55:14,480
they're saying you go like

2869
01:55:18,470 --> 01:55:16,480
they know a lot more than what's in this

2870
01:55:19,510 --> 01:55:18,480
report they they know some of this weird

2871
01:55:21,589 --> 01:55:19,520
stuff and that's why i said you got to

2872
01:55:23,109 --> 01:55:21,599
listen to them you can read this then

2873
01:55:25,030 --> 01:55:23,119
and realize it's going to move the

2874
01:55:26,629 --> 01:55:25,040
population in the right direction but if

2875
01:55:27,589 --> 01:55:26,639
you start listening to these high-level

2876
01:55:29,350 --> 01:55:27,599
people

2877
01:55:30,950 --> 01:55:29,360
they drop from time to time they drop

2878
01:55:33,030 --> 01:55:30,960
something where you go like why is he

2879
01:55:34,870 --> 01:55:33,040
saying that they must know something or

2880
01:55:36,390 --> 01:55:34,880
even alexander like alexander says i

2881
01:55:37,830 --> 01:55:36,400
can't talk about this uh you know i've

2882
01:55:40,310 --> 01:55:37,840
got security clearance well who's he

2883
01:55:42,229 --> 01:55:40,320
reporting to who's going to

2884
01:55:43,910 --> 01:55:42,239
you know sort of can him if he says the

2885
01:55:46,310 --> 01:55:43,920
wrong thing it indicates that there's

2886
01:55:48,070 --> 01:55:46,320
people above him that are directing what

2887
01:55:50,149 --> 01:55:48,080
he's doing or watching what he's doing

2888
01:55:51,990 --> 01:55:50,159
there are people who know and and i'll

2889
01:55:54,229 --> 01:55:52,000
maintain that the stuff that they know

2890
01:55:56,229 --> 01:55:54,239
is going to be really really weird it's

2891
01:55:57,589 --> 01:55:56,239
going to be like skinwalker ranch where

2892
01:55:59,510 --> 01:55:57,599
the reason they went into skinwalker

2893
01:56:01,109 --> 01:55:59,520
ranch was not for ufos it was it was

2894
01:56:03,510 --> 01:56:01,119
these support things where stuff was

2895
01:56:06,470 --> 01:56:03,520
disappearing and reappearing and in the

2896
01:56:07,830 --> 01:56:06,480
cattle mutilations and and orbs and the

2897
01:56:09,589 --> 01:56:07,840
the object as

2898
01:56:10,709 --> 01:56:09,599
john alexander said not only knew what

2899
01:56:14,070 --> 01:56:10,719
they were

2900
01:56:15,589 --> 01:56:14,080
it's this thing and that nothing ever

2901
01:56:17,510 --> 01:56:15,599
happened the same way twice and that's

2902
01:56:19,510 --> 01:56:17,520
the problem with ufo sightings where

2903
01:56:21,109 --> 01:56:19,520
where they described it skinwalker ranch

2904
01:56:23,030 --> 01:56:21,119
and i maintained with most sightings

2905
01:56:24,470 --> 01:56:23,040
that they're they're never the same

2906
01:56:25,669 --> 01:56:24,480
thing twice that's what bigelow said it

2907
01:56:27,109 --> 01:56:25,679
never happened the same thing twice they

2908
01:56:28,229 --> 01:56:27,119
would they would anticipate it and it

2909
01:56:30,149 --> 01:56:28,239
would happen off camera it would go

2910
01:56:32,870 --> 01:56:30,159
someplace else and that's the thing is

2911
01:56:35,669 --> 01:56:32,880
this is weird weird skinwalker ranch

2912
01:56:37,510 --> 01:56:35,679
thing that that is the basis of the ufo

2913
01:56:38,950 --> 01:56:37,520
phenomena it's going to be really weird

2914
01:56:41,430 --> 01:56:38,960
it's going to be this paranormal thing i

2915
01:56:43,270 --> 01:56:41,440
even did a presentation called maybe the

2916
01:56:45,669 --> 01:56:43,280
paranormal world is the real world it's

2917
01:56:48,310 --> 01:56:45,679
this idea how does reality actually work

2918
01:56:49,750 --> 01:56:48,320
it's very very strange and the ufo

2919
01:56:51,669 --> 01:56:49,760
sightings are getting us to the point

2920
01:56:53,270 --> 01:56:51,679
where we're realizing the phenomena is

2921
01:56:55,910 --> 01:56:53,280
real but it's it's for me it's always

2922
01:56:58,550 --> 01:56:55,920
been real and i think we're you know we

2923
01:57:00,070 --> 01:56:58,560
gotta avoid getting caught up in just

2924
01:57:02,070 --> 01:57:00,080
gathering sightings and gathering

2925
01:57:04,629 --> 01:57:02,080
reports and and and stuff like that

2926
01:57:06,790 --> 01:57:04,639
where we we get beyond the sightings and

2927
01:57:08,390 --> 01:57:06,800
and try to find out what is what are we

2928
01:57:09,990 --> 01:57:08,400
actually dealing with here how does it

2929
01:57:11,589 --> 01:57:10,000
work and when you start especially when

2930
01:57:12,950 --> 01:57:11,599
you talk to the people who claim to flow

2931
01:57:14,950 --> 01:57:12,960
in the craft and listen to people like

2932
01:57:18,390 --> 01:57:14,960
john ramirez you start realizing there's

2933
01:57:20,629 --> 01:57:18,400
this weird paranormal aspect or even

2934
01:57:22,229 --> 01:57:20,639
even help put us says i'd like to know

2935
01:57:23,990 --> 01:57:22,239
this thing where people

2936
01:57:25,990 --> 01:57:24,000
i've got piles of people reported this

2937
01:57:27,669 --> 01:57:26,000
you go to the craft across like 35 feet

2938
01:57:28,950 --> 01:57:27,679
across and then you go inside the craft

2939
01:57:30,870 --> 01:57:28,960
it's the size of a football stadium

2940
01:57:32,629 --> 01:57:30,880
inside and even help what i said i'd

2941
01:57:33,910 --> 01:57:32,639
sure like to know how that works and

2942
01:57:35,350 --> 01:57:33,920
that's the whole thing those are the

2943
01:57:37,990 --> 01:57:35,360
things it's like

2944
01:57:41,350 --> 01:57:38,000
gary nolan said it's the five percent

2945
01:57:42,470 --> 01:57:41,360
that don't fit the the the standard norm

2946
01:57:44,629 --> 01:57:42,480
that's when you're going to get the

2947
01:57:46,629 --> 01:57:44,639
discovery it's like why is that off the

2948
01:57:47,990 --> 01:57:46,639
the line in in the chart it's off the

2949
01:57:49,109 --> 01:57:48,000
line it means something it's the

2950
01:57:51,030 --> 01:57:49,119
anomalies they're going to teach you and

2951
01:57:52,790 --> 01:57:51,040
these these weird anomalies that people

2952
01:57:54,870 --> 01:57:52,800
are talking about that will lead us but

2953
01:57:57,990 --> 01:57:54,880
we've got to get past sort of trying to

2954
01:58:00,550 --> 01:57:58,000
prove to our friends that ufos exist i i

2955
01:58:02,870 --> 01:58:00,560
you know to me i i've had the advantage

2956
01:58:04,790 --> 01:58:02,880
that i had a real two real cl three

2957
01:58:06,709 --> 01:58:04,800
about five real close encounters so i've

2958
01:58:08,709 --> 01:58:06,719
never had any doubt i've never really

2959
01:58:09,830 --> 01:58:08,719
bothered to try to tell people what's

2960
01:58:11,109 --> 01:58:09,840
going on i'm just trying to figure out

2961
01:58:13,189 --> 01:58:11,119
what's going on how does this thing

2962
01:58:15,109 --> 01:58:13,199
actually work it's for real what is it

2963
01:58:17,990 --> 01:58:15,119
and how did it get here and how does

2964
01:58:19,990 --> 01:58:18,000
reality work and i i can pretty well

2965
01:58:22,229 --> 01:58:20,000
guarantee reality does not work the way

2966
01:58:25,669 --> 01:58:22,239
people think it works it's really really

2967
01:58:28,550 --> 01:58:25,679
strange there is a paragraph at the at

2968
01:58:30,629 --> 01:58:28,560
the end of six which addresses exactly

2969
01:58:33,270 --> 01:58:30,639
what you're talking about where it says

2970
01:58:35,750 --> 01:58:33,280
additional rigorous analysis is

2971
01:58:37,510 --> 01:58:35,760
necessary by multiple teams or groups of

2972
01:58:40,629 --> 01:58:37,520
technical experts

2973
01:58:43,510 --> 01:58:40,639
to determine the nature and validity of

2974
01:58:46,149 --> 01:58:43,520
this data we are conducting further

2975
01:58:49,030 --> 01:58:46,159
analysis to determine if breakthrough

2976
01:58:51,350 --> 01:58:49,040
technologies were demonstrated

2977
01:58:53,990 --> 01:58:51,360
that's exactly your point isn't it

2978
01:58:55,430 --> 01:58:54,000
exactly and then we betty andreason just

2979
01:58:57,510 --> 01:58:55,440
dies let me give you a quote from betty

2980
01:58:59,270 --> 01:58:57,520
andreas in here that sort of gets what

2981
01:59:00,470 --> 01:58:59,280
we may be up against here and chris

2982
01:59:02,709 --> 01:59:00,480
bledsoe talks about the same thing chris

2983
01:59:04,390 --> 01:59:02,719
bledsoe talked about when in the 2007

2984
01:59:05,669 --> 01:59:04,400
thing he was moved around

2985
01:59:07,109 --> 01:59:05,679
uh and

2986
01:59:08,229 --> 01:59:07,119
he thought he was gone for months he was

2987
01:59:11,270 --> 01:59:08,239
actually gone like for four hours

2988
01:59:13,030 --> 01:59:11,280
whatever he's moved in a in a in an orb

2989
01:59:14,870 --> 01:59:13,040
that was completely translucent that he

2990
01:59:15,990 --> 01:59:14,880
could see out of this orb and bet

2991
01:59:17,430 --> 01:59:16,000
andreas

2992
01:59:18,870 --> 01:59:17,440
describes in one of her books the same

2993
01:59:20,790 --> 01:59:18,880
thing where she's taken from here to

2994
01:59:21,910 --> 01:59:20,800
there and she sees the one and she's

2995
01:59:23,669 --> 01:59:21,920
these beings are taking her all this

2996
01:59:25,669 --> 01:59:23,679
sort of place and they bring her back in

2997
01:59:27,350 --> 01:59:25,679
this glass orb same as chris blasto

2998
01:59:29,750 --> 01:59:27,360
described and she they bring her and she

2999
01:59:30,550 --> 01:59:29,760
comes into her yard and this is what she

3000
01:59:33,350 --> 01:59:30,560
says

3001
01:59:35,830 --> 01:59:33,360
i rushed out to our trailer door happy

3002
01:59:37,910 --> 01:59:35,840
to be home and headed for the bedroom

3003
01:59:40,550 --> 01:59:37,920
where bob luca her husband was still

3004
01:59:43,189 --> 01:59:40,560
asleep as i reached the side of the bed

3005
01:59:45,830 --> 01:59:43,199
i was shocked for i saw myself sitting

3006
01:59:48,149 --> 01:59:45,840
there yet i was standing there beside

3007
01:59:50,470 --> 01:59:48,159
myself i slipped back into my resting

3008
01:59:53,109 --> 01:59:50,480
body and when you hear that and you hear

3009
01:59:55,430 --> 01:59:53,119
this over and over again you realize

3010
01:59:57,030 --> 01:59:55,440
this is going to be really really weird

3011
01:59:59,030 --> 01:59:57,040
it's not what we think it is it's going

3012
02:00:00,950 --> 01:59:59,040
to be really really

3013
02:00:02,550 --> 02:00:00,960
really weird and

3014
02:00:04,629 --> 02:00:02,560
our reality is going to be shattered

3015
02:00:06,470 --> 02:00:04,639
this whole idea that it may be nothing

3016
02:00:09,109 --> 02:00:06,480
there may be no time no space it's all

3017
02:00:11,350 --> 02:00:09,119
within ourselves it's all uh you know

3018
02:00:12,790 --> 02:00:11,360
as greer used to always say you see

3019
02:00:15,510 --> 02:00:12,800
yourself as a puny form when the

3020
02:00:16,790 --> 02:00:15,520
universe is folded within yourself that

3021
02:00:18,470 --> 02:00:16,800
may actually be what it is that's what

3022
02:00:20,390 --> 02:00:18,480
john wheeler's saying there may be no

3023
02:00:22,470 --> 02:00:20,400
out there out there or as deepak tropper

3024
02:00:24,709 --> 02:00:22,480
says everything may be an activity

3025
02:00:27,109 --> 02:00:24,719
inside consciousness if consciousness is

3026
02:00:29,270 --> 02:00:27,119
primary everything changes so yeah ufos

3027
02:00:31,589 --> 02:00:29,280
exist but i'll guarantee it's going to

3028
02:00:32,950 --> 02:00:31,599
be really really weird what's actually

3029
02:00:34,470 --> 02:00:32,960
going on and that's where jim semivan

3030
02:00:36,070 --> 02:00:34,480
says they're on the sensors and all of a

3031
02:00:37,990 --> 02:00:36,080
sudden boop disappears almost like it's

3032
02:00:39,109 --> 02:00:38,000
showing off it's like watch this it put

3033
02:00:41,750 --> 02:00:39,119
pure on the sensor and then just

3034
02:00:43,830 --> 02:00:41,760
disappear and those kind of things just

3035
02:00:45,990 --> 02:00:43,840
make you shake your head and you realize

3036
02:00:47,750 --> 02:00:46,000
it's going to be very very complex the

3037
02:00:49,830 --> 02:00:47,760
universe is very complex we always make

3038
02:00:52,790 --> 02:00:49,840
the assumption almost like max plank in

3039
02:00:54,629 --> 02:00:52,800
1874 when his advisor said no use going

3040
02:00:56,070 --> 02:00:54,639
into physics we've discovered everything

3041
02:00:57,750 --> 02:00:56,080
you're wasting your time we've figured

3042
02:00:58,790 --> 02:00:57,760
it all out that's where we are we think

3043
02:01:00,709 --> 02:00:58,800
there's one piece that we're going to

3044
02:01:02,550 --> 02:01:00,719
put in the puzzle and basically we

3045
02:01:04,470 --> 02:01:02,560
haven't got a clue all the pieces are

3046
02:01:07,350 --> 02:01:04,480
wrong we were assuming a bunch of stuff

3047
02:01:08,470 --> 02:01:07,360
that isn't right and they're leaving us

3048
02:01:10,310 --> 02:01:08,480
little hints

3049
02:01:12,709 --> 02:01:10,320
and eventually we're going to move there

3050
02:01:15,109 --> 02:01:12,719
we're moving here slowly but uh it's

3051
02:01:16,149 --> 02:01:15,119
it's a we've got eternity figured out

3052
02:01:17,750 --> 02:01:16,159
and uh

3053
02:01:20,390 --> 02:01:17,760
it's it's a

3054
02:01:22,070 --> 02:01:20,400
a wonderful game to be in but uh

3055
02:01:23,430 --> 02:01:22,080
i wouldn't get hung up on how many times

3056
02:01:25,669 --> 02:01:23,440
the basketball

3057
02:01:28,310 --> 02:01:25,679
uh passes around there's

3058
02:01:30,310 --> 02:01:28,320
you got to get past yes this is going on

3059
02:01:31,510 --> 02:01:30,320
and try to figure out

3060
02:01:33,430 --> 02:01:31,520
what's going on and the only way you can

3061
02:01:35,430 --> 02:01:33,440
do that is to talk to the people who are

3062
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interacting with the intelligence our

3063
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3064
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3065
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3119
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when you're in the house for longer

3120
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periods of time you can see them flying

3121
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or running across the floor

3122
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ooh yuck

3123
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they're unhealthy gross and disgusting

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bugs i loathe bugs we keep a clean home

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but occasionally bugs show up well i

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3168
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this is fade to black with jimmy church

3169
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on the game changer radio network

3170
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3171
02:06:58,149 --> 02:06:56,560
welcome back fade to black i am your

3172
02:06:58,570 --> 02:06:58,159
host jimmy church tonight grant cameron

3173
02:06:59,750 --> 02:06:58,580
is here

3174
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3175
02:07:04,950 --> 02:07:01,280
this is what i'm talking about from the

3176
02:07:07,589 --> 02:07:04,960
great white north and uh

3177
02:07:10,149 --> 02:07:07,599
talking about the uap task force report

3178
02:07:11,589 --> 02:07:10,159
and and grant probably

3179
02:07:12,390 --> 02:07:11,599
i mean the one thing that i was

3180
02:07:15,109 --> 02:07:12,400
interested

3181
02:07:16,790 --> 02:07:15,119
in most in this report i didn't expect

3182
02:07:20,229 --> 02:07:16,800
it to be disclosed

3183
02:07:23,270 --> 02:07:20,239
but uh that is the evidence that was

3184
02:07:25,350 --> 02:07:23,280
presented to them and those pages

3185
02:07:26,950 --> 02:07:25,360
uh pages 12

3186
02:07:28,229 --> 02:07:26,960
13

3187
02:07:30,069 --> 02:07:28,239
14

3188
02:07:33,589 --> 02:07:30,079
and 15

3189
02:07:35,750 --> 02:07:33,599
are all completely redacted there is

3190
02:07:36,870 --> 02:07:35,760
nothing there to look at

3191
02:07:38,950 --> 02:07:36,880
and

3192
02:07:42,149 --> 02:07:38,960
one of

3193
02:07:44,709 --> 02:07:42,159
the tables that is presented here

3194
02:07:48,310 --> 02:07:44,719
uh which is blank it's the entire table

3195
02:07:50,069 --> 02:07:48,320
it says in over half of the 144 reports

3196
02:07:53,589 --> 02:07:50,079
from the united states government

3197
02:07:57,030 --> 02:07:53,599
observers redacted unidentified aerial

3198
02:08:02,149 --> 02:07:57,040
phenomena uaps redacted right

3199
02:08:05,830 --> 02:08:02,159
and that that table is gone and um and

3200
02:08:08,390 --> 02:08:05,840
then if you go to page 13

3201
02:08:10,069 --> 02:08:08,400
one of the most interesting

3202
02:08:11,669 --> 02:08:10,079
exhibits

3203
02:08:15,589 --> 02:08:11,679
is redacted

3204
02:08:20,310 --> 02:08:15,599
and it's called common shapes

3205
02:08:23,189 --> 02:08:21,430
um

3206
02:08:25,030 --> 02:08:23,199
i don't know because it's supposed to be

3207
02:08:27,589 --> 02:08:25,040
like jim semivan says the sources and

3208
02:08:29,270 --> 02:08:27,599
methods that they're basically

3209
02:08:32,149 --> 02:08:29,280
because that's you know you know it's

3210
02:08:33,830 --> 02:08:32,159
there's been charts back

3211
02:08:34,950 --> 02:08:33,840
from the beginning of the different

3212
02:08:36,950 --> 02:08:34,960
shapes

3213
02:08:39,270 --> 02:08:36,960
now i'm not sure it is kind of weird how

3214
02:08:41,189 --> 02:08:39,280
it they've sort of

3215
02:08:45,109 --> 02:08:41,199
blocked that out and but that goes back

3216
02:08:49,589 --> 02:08:45,119
to the idea is if you go back to page

3217
02:08:51,350 --> 02:08:49,599
uh earlier um 11 10 9 you see that

3218
02:08:53,189 --> 02:08:51,360
they're starting to

3219
02:08:54,390 --> 02:08:53,199
uh play the game where they're really

3220
02:08:56,310 --> 02:08:54,400
not going to tell you we think they're

3221
02:08:57,669 --> 02:08:56,320
they're going to tell us what's going on

3222
02:09:00,310 --> 02:08:57,679
and then they say well there's all sorts

3223
02:09:02,709 --> 02:09:00,320
of alternative explanations yes clutter

3224
02:09:05,510 --> 02:09:02,719
there's this there's that and it's like

3225
02:09:07,910 --> 02:09:05,520
a normal report where they're they're

3226
02:09:09,430 --> 02:09:07,920
backpedaling and killing the thing where

3227
02:09:11,750 --> 02:09:09,440
it could be weather balloons i mean this

3228
02:09:13,030 --> 02:09:11,760
is backwards in the 1940s

3229
02:09:15,109 --> 02:09:13,040
so

3230
02:09:16,790 --> 02:09:15,119
you get the same thing if if this is a

3231
02:09:19,189 --> 02:09:16,800
disclosure thing

3232
02:09:21,189 --> 02:09:19,199
um there should be

3233
02:09:23,030 --> 02:09:21,199
a little more

3234
02:09:25,350 --> 02:09:23,040
ufo stuff in it rather than talking

3235
02:09:27,189 --> 02:09:25,360
about airborne clutter and

3236
02:09:29,100 --> 02:09:27,199
weather balloons and all this kind of

3237
02:09:31,030 --> 02:09:29,110
stuff and why would you

3238
02:09:33,430 --> 02:09:31,040
[Music]

3239
02:09:36,950 --> 02:09:33,440
sort of pull all the shapes

3240
02:09:40,629 --> 02:09:36,960
uh and and classify that or or

3241
02:09:41,510 --> 02:09:40,639
redact that it's the same old game where

3242
02:09:42,629 --> 02:09:41,520
you're going to see more and more

3243
02:09:44,709 --> 02:09:42,639
reports but they're never going to come

3244
02:09:46,709 --> 02:09:44,719
to conclusion we really don't know and

3245
02:09:48,069 --> 02:09:46,719
that's what's going on in the ufo

3246
02:09:49,910 --> 02:09:48,079
community as well it's like well we

3247
02:09:50,629 --> 02:09:49,920
really haven't got evidence we haven't

3248
02:09:53,030 --> 02:09:50,639
got

3249
02:09:54,550 --> 02:09:53,040
absolute uh proof and it just it's going

3250
02:09:56,550 --> 02:09:54,560
to go on and we can do this for as i

3251
02:09:58,470 --> 02:09:56,560
said for next couple hundred years just

3252
02:10:00,870 --> 02:09:58,480
keep writing these reports and coming to

3253
02:10:02,390 --> 02:10:00,880
no firm conclusion and a little bit of

3254
02:10:03,830 --> 02:10:02,400
this a little bit of that

3255
02:10:07,910 --> 02:10:03,840
well i

3256
02:10:09,990 --> 02:10:07,920
i am totally interested in the common

3257
02:10:13,990 --> 02:10:10,000
shapes image

3258
02:10:16,629 --> 02:10:14,000
what is it in these 143

3259
02:10:18,149 --> 02:10:16,639
reports one is a deflating balloon and i

3260
02:10:19,510 --> 02:10:18,159
think we all know the video that they're

3261
02:10:21,270 --> 02:10:19,520
talking about there

3262
02:10:22,470 --> 02:10:21,280
but here we have a table of common

3263
02:10:24,229 --> 02:10:22,480
shapes

3264
02:10:26,790 --> 02:10:24,239
and

3265
02:10:28,709 --> 02:10:26,800
are we obviously the tic tac is going to

3266
02:10:30,470 --> 02:10:28,719
be in there but what else

3267
02:10:31,990 --> 02:10:30,480
what are these common shapes and then

3268
02:10:35,350 --> 02:10:32,000
underneath that

3269
02:10:36,229 --> 02:10:35,360
is the next exhibit also redacted

3270
02:10:37,430 --> 02:10:36,239
less

3271
02:10:39,830 --> 02:10:37,440
common

3272
02:10:42,950 --> 02:10:39,840
irregular shapes

3273
02:10:46,629 --> 02:10:42,960
well i'm really interested in that and

3274
02:10:48,229 --> 02:10:46,639
and they've redacted both of these and i

3275
02:10:50,550 --> 02:10:48,239
don't understand why these would be

3276
02:10:52,310 --> 02:10:50,560
classified now i'm sure that lou well

3277
02:10:54,310 --> 02:10:52,320
luella's ever let's go let's go back to

3278
02:10:55,750 --> 02:10:54,320
walker walker said why should we change

3279
02:10:58,709 --> 02:10:55,760
the rules jimmy to satisfy your

3280
02:11:00,229 --> 02:10:58,719
curiosity kit green actually went in kid

3281
02:11:02,069 --> 02:11:00,239
green was really interested because we

3282
02:11:03,669 --> 02:11:02,079
had sort of shown that this guy actually

3283
02:11:05,350 --> 02:11:03,679
was there when it all unraveled he knew

3284
02:11:07,109 --> 02:11:05,360
exactly how it worked exactly who was

3285
02:11:09,109 --> 02:11:07,119
running the operation whatever and kit

3286
02:11:11,109 --> 02:11:09,119
green goes in there and walker says to

3287
02:11:12,709 --> 02:11:11,119
him okay give me two reasons why i

3288
02:11:14,229 --> 02:11:12,719
should tell you what's going on

3289
02:11:15,750 --> 02:11:14,239
and so kit green comes up with two

3290
02:11:17,589 --> 02:11:15,760
reasons and this is in jacques valley's

3291
02:11:19,030 --> 02:11:17,599
book and he said apparently i didn't

3292
02:11:20,470 --> 02:11:19,040
give him the right reasons because he

3293
02:11:22,550 --> 02:11:20,480
threw him out of the office

3294
02:11:24,310 --> 02:11:22,560
and and kit green had security he had a

3295
02:11:26,310 --> 02:11:24,320
clearance to go in and talk to him so

3296
02:11:28,390 --> 02:11:26,320
it's the idea it's like we're we're not

3297
02:11:29,589 --> 02:11:28,400
interested we're this is classified

3298
02:11:31,430 --> 02:11:29,599
we're not going to tell you what's going

3299
02:11:32,950 --> 02:11:31,440
on your curiosity we really don't care

3300
02:11:34,870 --> 02:11:32,960
if like you're very curious you want to

3301
02:11:36,870 --> 02:11:34,880
know and they go we don't care jimmy we

3302
02:11:39,430 --> 02:11:36,880
don't care if you're a class we're we're

3303
02:11:40,709 --> 02:11:39,440
trying to uh on you know do this kind of

3304
02:11:42,229 --> 02:11:40,719
stuff especially if the military is

3305
02:11:44,390 --> 02:11:42,239
running it and that's where i say if the

3306
02:11:46,069 --> 02:11:44,400
jill brown thing else figure out are

3307
02:11:47,990 --> 02:11:46,079
they going to have a

3308
02:11:49,350 --> 02:11:48,000
um

3309
02:12:21,510 --> 02:11:49,360
a

3310
02:12:22,950 --> 02:12:21,520
we

3311
02:12:24,229 --> 02:12:22,960
are going to keep the secret but if you

3312
02:12:27,510 --> 02:12:24,239
get it into

3313
02:12:28,470 --> 02:12:27,520
uh say um the

3314
02:12:34,069 --> 02:12:28,480
the

3315
02:12:36,149 --> 02:12:34,079
it may be something different where

3316
02:12:37,990 --> 02:12:36,159
we're actually going to get more into

3317
02:12:39,030 --> 02:12:38,000
the scientific aspect but as long as

3318
02:12:41,109 --> 02:12:39,040
it's in a military thing and the

3319
02:12:42,470 --> 02:12:41,119
military people are writing the reports

3320
02:12:43,830 --> 02:12:42,480
it's going to be classified and i don't

3321
02:12:44,950 --> 02:12:43,840
know if there's ever going to be i don't

3322
02:12:45,830 --> 02:12:44,960
know if they've proposed that there's

3323
02:12:49,589 --> 02:12:45,840
going to be

3324
02:12:50,950 --> 02:12:49,599
report made to the public but again it's

3325
02:12:52,550 --> 02:12:50,960
going to be the same thing here's the

3326
02:12:54,149 --> 02:12:52,560
report to the public we blacked this out

3327
02:12:56,069 --> 02:12:54,159
we blocked that out is there ever going

3328
02:12:58,229 --> 02:12:56,079
to be a thing where there's actually

3329
02:13:00,390 --> 02:12:58,239
like a blue book where people can report

3330
02:13:02,470 --> 02:13:00,400
stuff and they have to put out

3331
02:13:03,589 --> 02:13:02,480
you know a press officer to explain

3332
02:13:04,950 --> 02:13:03,599
sightings every night and stuff like

3333
02:13:06,870 --> 02:13:04,960
that i don't think they're going there

3334
02:13:08,470 --> 02:13:06,880
they're this this as long as it's in the

3335
02:13:10,069 --> 02:13:08,480
black it's still controlled by the black

3336
02:13:12,069 --> 02:13:10,079
world there's going to be all this

3337
02:13:13,510 --> 02:13:12,079
classification stuff where when it comes

3338
02:13:15,189 --> 02:13:13,520
right down to it they're they're going

3339
02:13:16,149 --> 02:13:15,199
to withhold so much material because i

3340
02:13:17,750 --> 02:13:16,159
really don't care if people are

3341
02:13:19,350 --> 02:13:17,760
interested it's you know we may be

3342
02:13:20,950 --> 02:13:19,360
interested in how a nuclear bomb works

3343
02:13:22,310 --> 02:13:20,960
or how you know where we store the

3344
02:13:23,510 --> 02:13:22,320
nuclear bombs and it's like they don't

3345
02:13:25,189 --> 02:13:23,520
care we're not going to tell you that

3346
02:13:28,390 --> 02:13:25,199
kind of stuff

3347
02:13:31,589 --> 02:13:28,400
the uh the next page which is the

3348
02:13:34,870 --> 02:13:31,599
collection of intelligence discipline

3349
02:13:36,069 --> 02:13:34,880
uh again is very it's all completely

3350
02:13:38,709 --> 02:13:36,079
redacted

3351
02:13:41,430 --> 02:13:38,719
uh geospatial intelligence the images

3352
02:13:42,790 --> 02:13:41,440
and videos captured that paragraph is

3353
02:13:45,990 --> 02:13:42,800
redacted

3354
02:13:47,350 --> 02:13:46,000
um and the united states navy have

3355
02:13:49,510 --> 02:13:47,360
redacted

3356
02:13:50,790 --> 02:13:49,520
the only line in there is however the

3357
02:13:53,910 --> 02:13:50,800
use of

3358
02:13:57,350 --> 02:13:53,920
that's the only line and then uh spatial

3359
02:14:00,709 --> 02:13:57,360
signals intelligence the uaptf

3360
02:14:03,030 --> 02:14:00,719
and then a completely redacted paragraph

3361
02:14:05,030 --> 02:14:03,040
and then but the most telling is

3362
02:14:06,870 --> 02:14:05,040
probably the last one

3363
02:14:09,910 --> 02:14:06,880
human intelligence

3364
02:14:14,069 --> 02:14:09,920
which is completely blank they have not

3365
02:14:16,950 --> 02:14:14,079
revealed anything that they have uh

3366
02:14:19,669 --> 02:14:16,960
compiled for the report that came from

3367
02:14:20,629 --> 02:14:19,679
human intelligence it is simply left

3368
02:14:23,430 --> 02:14:20,639
blank

3369
02:14:26,790 --> 02:14:23,440
and then we get to this is where i can't

3370
02:14:29,350 --> 02:14:26,800
wait to hear your your opinion the fbi

3371
02:14:32,149 --> 02:14:29,360
gets involved with this report federal

3372
02:14:34,790 --> 02:14:32,159
bureau of investigation support of

3373
02:14:37,510 --> 02:14:34,800
attribution efforts right

3374
02:14:40,390 --> 02:14:37,520
okay it says the fbi is positioned to

3375
02:14:42,069 --> 02:14:40,400
use its investigative capabilities and

3376
02:14:44,229 --> 02:14:42,079
authorities to support deliberate

3377
02:14:47,750 --> 02:14:44,239
department of defense and interagency

3378
02:14:51,669 --> 02:14:47,760
efforts to determine attribution and

3379
02:14:55,510 --> 02:14:51,679
then the one two three four examples of

3380
02:14:58,390 --> 02:14:55,520
the fbi's contributions for attribution

3381
02:15:00,310 --> 02:14:58,400
are all redacted

3382
02:15:02,310 --> 02:15:00,320
this is outside of the scope of the

3383
02:15:04,069 --> 02:15:02,320
department of defense in the united

3384
02:15:06,870 --> 02:15:04,079
states navy of course the marines and

3385
02:15:09,990 --> 02:15:06,880
the air force and the army this is now

3386
02:15:12,229 --> 02:15:10,000
the fbi contributing to this but it's

3387
02:15:14,229 --> 02:15:12,239
all been redacted what do you think is

3388
02:15:16,709 --> 02:15:14,239
going on here

3389
02:15:18,229 --> 02:15:16,719
well they're they're referring to the

3390
02:15:20,310 --> 02:15:18,239
sensitive military

3391
02:15:21,830 --> 02:15:20,320
uh stuff happening close proximity to

3392
02:15:23,990 --> 02:15:21,840
the sense of military activity so

3393
02:15:26,310 --> 02:15:24,000
they're fbi works inside the united

3394
02:15:27,510 --> 02:15:26,320
states and so

3395
02:15:29,750 --> 02:15:27,520
they're i think they're trying to drag

3396
02:15:31,669 --> 02:15:29,760
them in on you know

3397
02:15:33,270 --> 02:15:31,679
say objects that are around military

3398
02:15:34,390 --> 02:15:33,280
bases or weapon storage areas and stuff

3399
02:15:36,790 --> 02:15:34,400
like that

3400
02:15:39,669 --> 02:15:36,800
i really doubt the fbi is going to

3401
02:15:41,589 --> 02:15:39,679
really do a heck of a lot i mean

3402
02:15:44,229 --> 02:15:41,599
carter tried to bring them in

3403
02:15:47,030 --> 02:15:44,239
and force force them to do stuff that

3404
02:15:50,390 --> 02:15:47,040
that's just um

3405
02:15:51,189 --> 02:15:50,400
is this the civilian side and

3406
02:15:54,390 --> 02:15:51,199
i'm

3407
02:15:56,950 --> 02:15:54,400
let me describe something to you um

3408
02:15:59,990 --> 02:15:56,960
the fbi would be involved in an

3409
02:16:01,750 --> 02:16:00,000
investigation i am

3410
02:16:05,830 --> 02:16:01,760
i'm theorizing here

3411
02:16:08,470 --> 02:16:05,840
around a nuclear power plant or around

3412
02:16:11,350 --> 02:16:08,480
critical infrastructure water treatment

3413
02:16:13,030 --> 02:16:11,360
plants anything like that that isn't

3414
02:16:15,270 --> 02:16:13,040
that's inside of the united states but

3415
02:16:16,629 --> 02:16:15,280
it isn't necessarily military

3416
02:16:20,709 --> 02:16:16,639
installation

3417
02:16:23,750 --> 02:16:20,719
and then civilians report the uh ufo uap

3418
02:16:25,830 --> 02:16:23,760
activity and the fbi is doing the

3419
02:16:28,709 --> 02:16:25,840
investigation not a branch of the

3420
02:16:30,149 --> 02:16:28,719
military that's the way that i read this

3421
02:16:32,150 --> 02:16:30,159
yeah because you you gotta remember back

3422
02:16:33,669 --> 02:16:32,160
in seventy five when they had the inside

3423
02:16:35,669 --> 02:16:33,679
the weapon storage areas and nuclear

3424
02:16:36,709 --> 02:16:35,679
weapons storage areas along the canadian

3425
02:16:38,629 --> 02:16:36,719
border

3426
02:16:40,469 --> 02:16:38,639
that um they were describing them as

3427
02:16:43,190 --> 02:16:40,479
helicopters so you still have the

3428
02:16:44,469 --> 02:16:43,200
possibility that this may be somebody

3429
02:16:46,950 --> 02:16:44,479
you know you've got to determine is it a

3430
02:16:48,469 --> 02:16:46,960
ufo or is it somebody trying to get in

3431
02:16:49,669 --> 02:16:48,479
the nuclear weapon storage area with a

3432
02:16:52,070 --> 02:16:49,679
drone or

3433
02:16:53,910 --> 02:16:52,080
this sort of stuff there was actually a

3434
02:16:55,589 --> 02:16:53,920
question was actually given in canada

3435
02:16:57,589 --> 02:16:55,599
there's a ufo cover-up taking place in

3436
02:16:58,709 --> 02:16:57,599
canada by the opposition party that i

3437
02:17:00,469 --> 02:16:58,719
was actually involved with okay

3438
02:17:02,629 --> 02:17:00,479
opposition party in canada

3439
02:17:04,709 --> 02:17:02,639
actually uh did an investigation they

3440
02:17:06,870 --> 02:17:04,719
talked to elizondo at least once maybe

3441
02:17:08,629 --> 02:17:06,880
twice they talked to put put off they

3442
02:17:10,230 --> 02:17:08,639
thought i think they talked to mellon

3443
02:17:12,790 --> 02:17:10,240
they came to me they were talking to

3444
02:17:15,030 --> 02:17:12,800
vice they they talked to uh dave scott

3445
02:17:17,349 --> 02:17:15,040
if you know the

3446
02:17:19,110 --> 02:17:17,359
radio host here in canada they they did

3447
02:17:22,150 --> 02:17:19,120
all this investigation and then they

3448
02:17:24,709 --> 02:17:22,160
actually posed a question the the

3449
02:17:26,830 --> 02:17:24,719
uh member of parliament actually posed a

3450
02:17:29,990 --> 02:17:26,840
question about uh

3451
02:17:33,030 --> 02:17:30,000
drones over top of uh nuclear power

3452
02:17:35,830 --> 02:17:33,040
plants in canada and asked the um the

3453
02:17:37,509 --> 02:17:35,840
the city deputy minister uh have you got

3454
02:17:38,790 --> 02:17:37,519
any reports on this are you willing to

3455
02:17:40,549 --> 02:17:38,800
investigate this are you gonna bring it

3456
02:17:42,629 --> 02:17:40,559
back and i said okay that's game over

3457
02:17:44,549 --> 02:17:42,639
now you guys exposed what you got and

3458
02:17:46,629 --> 02:17:44,559
they all ran for cover the the

3459
02:17:48,870 --> 02:17:46,639
opposition people who did this um

3460
02:17:51,110 --> 02:17:48,880
investigation as to uh what they

3461
02:17:53,030 --> 02:17:51,120
discovered uh but they went public and

3462
02:17:54,950 --> 02:17:53,040
they they posed this question about and

3463
02:17:56,709 --> 02:17:54,960
they call it drones over the nuclear

3464
02:17:58,150 --> 02:17:56,719
stuff so there's still a possibility

3465
02:17:59,990 --> 02:17:58,160
that there's they're looking at the

3466
02:18:02,709 --> 02:18:00,000
possibility uh and that's how you can

3467
02:18:05,349 --> 02:18:02,719
bring the fbi in because it's it's uh

3468
02:18:07,270 --> 02:18:05,359
you know a us problem and it may be

3469
02:18:09,349 --> 02:18:07,280
you know people near the base it may not

3470
02:18:11,589 --> 02:18:09,359
be ufos it may be related stuff

3471
02:18:12,950 --> 02:18:11,599
but the fbi because to me it's all going

3472
02:18:15,509 --> 02:18:12,960
to come to this bottom line is

3473
02:18:17,990 --> 02:18:15,519
technology it's this stuff that is so

3474
02:18:20,070 --> 02:18:18,000
far beyond anything we've got that you

3475
02:18:22,150 --> 02:18:20,080
need high

3476
02:18:23,910 --> 02:18:22,160
sensors and capabilities of people who

3477
02:18:26,709 --> 02:18:23,920
know exactly what the russians have in

3478
02:18:28,629 --> 02:18:26,719
the chinese have and uh people that

3479
02:18:30,389 --> 02:18:28,639
lockheed skunk works to

3480
02:18:32,309 --> 02:18:30,399
figure out what they've got and how they

3481
02:18:33,830 --> 02:18:32,319
think it works and and the medals and

3482
02:18:35,910 --> 02:18:33,840
stuff like that it's it's way beyond the

3483
02:18:39,190 --> 02:18:35,920
fbi i think the fbi is just basically

3484
02:18:40,709 --> 02:18:39,200
security around uh big nuclear

3485
02:18:41,669 --> 02:18:40,719
facilities and stuff like that i don't

3486
02:18:42,790 --> 02:18:41,679
think they're they're going to be

3487
02:18:44,629 --> 02:18:42,800
involved in actually trying to figure

3488
02:18:45,669 --> 02:18:44,639
out what ufos are

3489
02:18:50,790 --> 02:18:45,679
and

3490
02:18:52,389 --> 02:18:50,800
seven now out of everything in this

3491
02:18:55,190 --> 02:18:52,399
report

3492
02:18:57,110 --> 02:18:55,200
there isn't anything really specific

3493
02:18:59,910 --> 02:18:57,120
they're not mentioning f-18s they're not

3494
02:19:03,429 --> 02:18:59,920
mentioning anything like that but they

3495
02:19:06,309 --> 02:19:03,439
do mention i found this really curious

3496
02:19:08,309 --> 02:19:06,319
they do specifically mention a report

3497
02:19:10,469 --> 02:19:08,319
with a helicopter

3498
02:19:13,509 --> 02:19:10,479
and it says according to u.s navy

3499
02:19:17,190 --> 02:19:13,519
reporting during blank hours in blank a

3500
02:19:19,110 --> 02:19:17,200
helicopter pilot and two weapons systems

3501
02:19:22,070 --> 02:19:19,120
officers wsos

3502
02:19:25,349 --> 02:19:22,080
visually observed several

3503
02:19:28,309 --> 02:19:25,359
blank objects moving approximately blank

3504
02:19:30,309 --> 02:19:28,319
one of the wsos blank

3505
02:19:33,990 --> 02:19:30,319
approximately blank

3506
02:19:38,070 --> 02:19:34,000
five blank objects which the wso

3507
02:19:39,990 --> 02:19:38,080
reported he blank but blank the pilot

3508
02:19:42,629 --> 02:19:40,000
and the other wso

3509
02:19:45,349 --> 02:19:42,639
the blank objects

3510
02:19:47,669 --> 02:19:45,359
they're bringing up a helicopter pilot

3511
02:19:48,950 --> 02:19:47,679
sighting with a weapons security

3512
02:19:51,030 --> 02:19:48,960
officers

3513
02:19:52,630 --> 02:19:51,040
i found that curious that out of

3514
02:19:56,710 --> 02:19:52,640
everything here

3515
02:19:59,510 --> 02:19:56,720
they cited this event to put into the

3516
02:20:00,790 --> 02:19:59,520
report why do you think this was here

3517
02:20:03,030 --> 02:20:00,800
i'm not sure

3518
02:20:04,790 --> 02:20:03,040
no idea i mean again you have u.s navy

3519
02:20:06,950 --> 02:20:04,800
and that's this idea

3520
02:20:09,349 --> 02:20:06,960
i think even some people have proposed

3521
02:20:10,790 --> 02:20:09,359
that the us navy is being targeted more

3522
02:20:12,790 --> 02:20:10,800
because it has all the nuclear stuff

3523
02:20:14,630 --> 02:20:12,800
like the u.s air force doesn't have any

3524
02:20:17,030 --> 02:20:14,640
nuclear planes and stuff like that and

3525
02:20:19,349 --> 02:20:17,040
it's the nuclear capabilities of ships

3526
02:20:21,830 --> 02:20:19,359
and stuff like that so

3527
02:20:22,790 --> 02:20:21,840
and yet the new u.s navy again if

3528
02:20:25,349 --> 02:20:22,800
they're

3529
02:20:26,950 --> 02:20:25,359
these reports coming out of u.s navy you

3530
02:20:28,150 --> 02:20:26,960
gotta remember if you go back to lazar

3531
02:20:29,910 --> 02:20:28,160
and you go back to what the canadians

3532
02:20:31,270 --> 02:20:29,920
were said in the very beginning and all

3533
02:20:32,469 --> 02:20:31,280
this kind of stuff there was always the

3534
02:20:33,670 --> 02:20:32,479
claim that it was the u.s navy that was

3535
02:20:35,990 --> 02:20:33,680
running the whole show it was never the

3536
02:20:37,990 --> 02:20:36,000
air force it was always the navy so the

3537
02:20:39,510 --> 02:20:38,000
pilots again it's a pilot sighting my

3538
02:20:41,429 --> 02:20:39,520
father was a pilot

3539
02:20:43,110 --> 02:20:41,439
uh he had the sighting i remember the

3540
02:20:44,469 --> 02:20:43,120
the day i reported national enquirer and

3541
02:20:46,710 --> 02:20:44,479
they phoned him and he was he was never

3542
02:20:48,630 --> 02:20:46,720
so mad in his life when he came home and

3543
02:20:51,190 --> 02:20:48,640
he was a government pilot and my son's a

3544
02:20:52,389 --> 02:20:51,200
pilot was a pilot and he had sightings

3545
02:20:54,630 --> 02:20:52,399
so

3546
02:20:57,030 --> 02:20:54,640
pilots will have will have sightings i'm

3547
02:20:59,910 --> 02:20:57,040
not sure there's any significance to

3548
02:21:01,670 --> 02:20:59,920
uh to this uh i mean we even had the

3549
02:21:03,429 --> 02:21:01,680
helicopter if you remember back in the

3550
02:21:05,590 --> 02:21:03,439
what was the 60s or 70s with the

3551
02:21:07,830 --> 02:21:05,600
helicopter where the where the ufo

3552
02:21:10,230 --> 02:21:07,840
actually dragged it it was like lifted

3553
02:21:13,030 --> 02:21:10,240
by this ufo where it sort of got sucked

3554
02:21:14,469 --> 02:21:13,040
up yeah i think it was like uh in ohio

3555
02:21:15,349 --> 02:21:14,479
if i'm yeah

3556
02:21:19,590 --> 02:21:15,359
yeah

3557
02:21:21,110 --> 02:21:19,600
all very interesting to sort of read and

3558
02:21:23,349 --> 02:21:21,120
and people like it because you know

3559
02:21:25,030 --> 02:21:23,359
they're not like uh you know you and i

3560
02:21:26,710 --> 02:21:25,040
who don't have you know the

3561
02:21:29,110 --> 02:21:26,720
the military background everybody likes

3562
02:21:31,110 --> 02:21:29,120
military because they're you know

3563
02:21:32,710 --> 02:21:31,120
observers you're great observers and

3564
02:21:34,790 --> 02:21:32,720
they're professionals brave men and

3565
02:21:35,990 --> 02:21:34,800
women and stuff like that right so this

3566
02:21:38,070 --> 02:21:36,000
is going to this going to change the

3567
02:21:39,590 --> 02:21:38,080
minds in terms of people saying oh this

3568
02:21:40,950 --> 02:21:39,600
guy saw it if i saw it they don't really

3569
02:21:43,429 --> 02:21:40,960
care i've told my story a thousand times

3570
02:21:45,590 --> 02:21:43,439
nobody cares but some guy from you know

3571
02:21:47,990 --> 02:21:45,600
an f-18 sees it then everybody goes oh

3572
02:21:49,830 --> 02:21:48,000
wow you know maybe it's for real so it

3573
02:21:51,750 --> 02:21:49,840
is changing the the perspective where

3574
02:21:52,550 --> 02:21:51,760
people are going to realize that

3575
02:21:55,270 --> 02:21:52,560
that

3576
02:21:57,190 --> 02:21:55,280
this this whole thing's for real and the

3577
02:21:59,990 --> 02:21:57,200
and i remember we even went back and we

3578
02:22:00,950 --> 02:22:00,000
said the whole deal was we we said

3579
02:22:02,870 --> 02:22:00,960
uh

3580
02:22:04,790 --> 02:22:02,880
the never release because

3581
02:22:07,030 --> 02:22:04,800
everything would melt down and and then

3582
02:22:09,110 --> 02:22:07,040
what happened in 2017

3583
02:22:10,710 --> 02:22:09,120
they do the new york times article and

3584
02:22:12,389 --> 02:22:10,720
what happens absolutely nothing right

3585
02:22:14,309 --> 02:22:12,399
these people were acclimatized they went

3586
02:22:15,990 --> 02:22:14,319
yeah we know that already okay now what

3587
02:22:17,429 --> 02:22:16,000
where are they from what's going on and

3588
02:22:19,830 --> 02:22:17,439
that's what's happening here is and

3589
02:22:21,670 --> 02:22:19,840
that's why i think they're they're

3590
02:22:22,710 --> 02:22:21,680
sympathetic to the the hollywood version

3591
02:22:24,469 --> 02:22:22,720
of putting this stuff in through

3592
02:22:26,710 --> 02:22:24,479
hollywood through fiction because it

3593
02:22:28,790 --> 02:22:26,720
acclimatizes people to

3594
02:22:30,469 --> 02:22:28,800
even the report the rand report from the

3595
02:22:31,510 --> 02:22:30,479
early 60s where it said

3596
02:22:33,990 --> 02:22:31,520
if you

3597
02:22:35,429 --> 02:22:34,000
know that you're not alone you have to

3598
02:22:36,550 --> 02:22:35,439
bring this in slowly you can't just drop

3599
02:22:39,110 --> 02:22:36,560
it on people so they're slowly

3600
02:22:40,710 --> 02:22:39,120
acclimatizing people uh dropping the

3601
02:22:42,150 --> 02:22:40,720
stuff and that's where i said the bill

3602
02:22:44,150 --> 02:22:42,160
moore thing may be the most important

3603
02:22:46,070 --> 02:22:44,160
file is they were doing this in 1980

3604
02:22:47,349 --> 02:22:46,080
there's 55 pages that said they were

3605
02:22:48,790 --> 02:22:47,359
doing something with bill moore this was

3606
02:22:50,469 --> 02:22:48,800
not just simply bill more making up

3607
02:22:51,990 --> 02:22:50,479
documents something was actually going

3608
02:22:53,590 --> 02:22:52,000
on there and that they may have been

3609
02:22:55,429 --> 02:22:53,600
doing this all the way along with like

3610
02:22:58,309 --> 02:22:55,439
walt disney being asked to do the

3611
02:22:59,429 --> 02:22:58,319
documentary in 1956 on ufos and they was

3612
02:23:01,429 --> 02:22:59,439
offered this film and they pulled the

3613
02:23:02,870 --> 02:23:01,439
film or bob emenege are doing the film

3614
02:23:04,389 --> 02:23:02,880
and and then

3615
02:23:05,910 --> 02:23:04,399
steven spielberg coming for the holloman

3616
02:23:08,070 --> 02:23:05,920
air force base

3617
02:23:09,510 --> 02:23:08,080
film and he hands it to him and suddenly

3618
02:23:12,150 --> 02:23:09,520
close encounters of the third kind is

3619
02:23:13,750 --> 02:23:12,160
done and spielberg's mother comes to

3620
02:23:15,349 --> 02:23:13,760
emeniger did the ufo documentary and

3621
02:23:16,870 --> 02:23:15,359
said i saw your version of the holloman

3622
02:23:18,389 --> 02:23:16,880
landing and i saw steven's version of

3623
02:23:20,150 --> 02:23:18,399
holloman landing and like steven's

3624
02:23:21,590 --> 02:23:20,160
version better and it's this idea that

3625
02:23:23,429 --> 02:23:21,600
this stuff is slowly being put in

3626
02:23:25,670 --> 02:23:23,439
through movies and stuff like that and

3627
02:23:28,309 --> 02:23:25,680
it's it's acclimatizing people and we're

3628
02:23:30,309 --> 02:23:28,319
moving along and we've moved along since

3629
02:23:32,070 --> 02:23:30,319
i've been in this since 1975 jimmy i can

3630
02:23:34,309 --> 02:23:32,080
tell you the more has happened in the

3631
02:23:36,790 --> 02:23:34,319
last five years that happened in the

3632
02:23:40,389 --> 02:23:36,800
first 45 years it is absolutely moving

3633
02:23:43,190 --> 02:23:40,399
at an incredible clip and and unraveling

3634
02:23:44,870 --> 02:23:43,200
and um i i'm very happy to see i never

3635
02:23:47,110 --> 02:23:44,880
thought i'd see i remember steve bass at

3636
02:23:48,630 --> 02:23:47,120
one point it was a conference and we

3637
02:23:49,830 --> 02:23:48,640
were all sitting on the on the stage he

3638
02:23:51,030 --> 02:23:49,840
asked everybody when do you think this

3639
02:23:53,150 --> 02:23:51,040
thing is going to disclose everybody

3640
02:23:55,990 --> 02:23:53,160
said six months one year i said

3641
02:23:58,230 --> 02:23:56,000
2042. i never believed this would happen

3642
02:23:59,910 --> 02:23:58,240
never in my life if i ever believed that

3643
02:24:01,910 --> 02:23:59,920
what is happening now would be happening

3644
02:24:05,349 --> 02:24:01,920
it's incredible and i i gotta thank

3645
02:24:07,910 --> 02:24:05,359
people like john podesta hillary clinton

3646
02:24:12,389 --> 02:24:07,920
uh jim semivan and people that pushed

3647
02:24:13,830 --> 02:24:12,399
this back in 2015 2016 and moved it out

3648
02:24:15,429 --> 02:24:13,840
they said they were going to do it and

3649
02:24:17,190 --> 02:24:15,439
they have done it and

3650
02:24:21,990 --> 02:24:17,200
they should get nobel prizes for what

3651
02:24:24,230 --> 02:24:22,000
they did i i i've always uh pushed that

3652
02:24:27,190 --> 02:24:24,240
there must be

3653
02:24:28,870 --> 02:24:27,200
i mean an infinite number grant but

3654
02:24:32,550 --> 02:24:28,880
let's say

3655
02:24:34,309 --> 02:24:32,560
10 000 intelligent advanced uh

3656
02:24:37,990 --> 02:24:34,319
civilizations just right here in our

3657
02:24:40,790 --> 02:24:38,000
milky way that are aware of our planet

3658
02:24:45,349 --> 02:24:40,800
and i'm just i think that's a low number

3659
02:24:46,710 --> 02:24:45,359
but 10 000 is a crazy big number when

3660
02:24:49,030 --> 02:24:46,720
most people think

3661
02:24:50,070 --> 02:24:49,040
a little grays right it's got to be

3662
02:24:53,910 --> 02:24:50,080
something

3663
02:24:56,469 --> 02:24:53,920
far beyond that and in this report

3664
02:24:59,349 --> 02:24:56,479
i think that they are being

3665
02:25:00,389 --> 02:24:59,359
very straightforward with that concept

3666
02:25:01,990 --> 02:25:00,399
when they

3667
02:25:05,590 --> 02:25:02,000
stated this

3668
02:25:07,990 --> 02:25:05,600
the uap documented in this limited data

3669
02:25:11,670 --> 02:25:08,000
set that's a key word right there

3670
02:25:14,550 --> 02:25:11,680
demonstrate an array of aerial behaviors

3671
02:25:17,349 --> 02:25:14,560
reinforcing the possibility that there

3672
02:25:20,550 --> 02:25:17,359
are multiple types of uap

3673
02:25:23,590 --> 02:25:20,560
requiring different explanations they're

3674
02:25:25,510 --> 02:25:23,600
not seeing one specific thing

3675
02:25:27,270 --> 02:25:25,520
and yeah well that's that yeah so

3676
02:25:29,429 --> 02:25:27,280
bigelow said about skinwalker ranch

3677
02:25:31,429 --> 02:25:29,439
nothing ever happened the same way twice

3678
02:25:32,790 --> 02:25:31,439
right never it was always different and

3679
02:25:33,910 --> 02:25:32,800
and that's where you start looking when

3680
02:25:35,510 --> 02:25:33,920
you start looking at the reports you

3681
02:25:39,030 --> 02:25:35,520
start it starts getting really weird

3682
02:25:40,870 --> 02:25:39,040
because you go back before 1906

3683
02:25:42,710 --> 02:25:40,880
when nancy tremaine was taken and then

3684
02:25:44,150 --> 02:25:42,720
the hills were taken if you look back

3685
02:25:46,070 --> 02:25:44,160
before there you look at the the

3686
02:25:48,150 --> 02:25:46,080
humanoid reports and you see guys with

3687
02:25:49,830 --> 02:25:48,160
space helmets with bubble helmets and

3688
02:25:52,230 --> 02:25:49,840
and you don't see any grace you see all

3689
02:25:53,990 --> 02:25:52,240
these weird type of beings and it's like

3690
02:25:55,750 --> 02:25:54,000
almost like the i put all the greys

3691
02:25:57,830 --> 02:25:55,760
together one time and none of the grays

3692
02:25:58,790 --> 02:25:57,840
match either it's like it's it's almost

3693
02:26:00,950 --> 02:25:58,800
like

3694
02:26:03,190 --> 02:26:00,960
you're part of what you're seeing that

3695
02:26:04,790 --> 02:26:03,200
this phenomena keeps changing you used

3696
02:26:06,550 --> 02:26:04,800
to have crafts with windows and you have

3697
02:26:07,990 --> 02:26:06,560
crafts with windows i i even put a thing

3698
02:26:09,429 --> 02:26:08,000
on facebook i said when was the last

3699
02:26:11,510 --> 02:26:09,439
time that there was a landing trace case

3700
02:26:13,349 --> 02:26:11,520
where a ufo landed and left tripods

3701
02:26:14,550 --> 02:26:13,359
burnt the grass hasn't happened for 25

3702
02:26:16,070 --> 02:26:14,560
years they stopped doing that now

3703
02:26:18,389 --> 02:26:16,080
they're doing something else and it just

3704
02:26:20,950 --> 02:26:18,399
the phenomena is really really weird it

3705
02:26:23,110 --> 02:26:20,960
keeps changing you you you didn't have

3706
02:26:25,429 --> 02:26:23,120
crop circles to 1982 you didn't have

3707
02:26:26,950 --> 02:26:25,439
cattle relations till 67 and then the

3708
02:26:28,870 --> 02:26:26,960
cat relations have stopped and the crop

3709
02:26:30,230 --> 02:26:28,880
circles have sort of stopped and you you

3710
02:26:31,830 --> 02:26:30,240
have these patterns it does this and

3711
02:26:33,590 --> 02:26:31,840
then it decides going to do that and it

3712
02:26:36,309 --> 02:26:33,600
changes and the beings changed there was

3713
02:26:38,630 --> 02:26:36,319
no reptilians before in in literature

3714
02:26:41,590 --> 02:26:38,640
before 1988 there was no grace before

3715
02:26:43,830 --> 02:26:41,600
1961 and you see this bizarre thing

3716
02:26:45,670 --> 02:26:43,840
where the more you look at the phenomena

3717
02:26:47,590 --> 02:26:45,680
and the in the reports the weirder it

3718
02:26:50,550 --> 02:26:47,600
gets you start seeing these patterns

3719
02:26:52,230 --> 02:26:50,560
that say like it doesn't make any sense

3720
02:26:54,790 --> 02:26:52,240
that it's going to be one race or

3721
02:26:57,030 --> 02:26:54,800
whatever it may be an unlimited universe

3722
02:26:58,950 --> 02:26:57,040
but it may be a universe where it's all

3723
02:27:00,790 --> 02:26:58,960
within that there is no out there out

3724
02:27:02,230 --> 02:27:00,800
there there's no time there's no space

3725
02:27:04,309 --> 02:27:02,240
you talk to people in this matrix

3726
02:27:06,230 --> 02:27:04,319
reality and they're talking about going

3727
02:27:08,070 --> 02:27:06,240
you know outside the milky way within

3728
02:27:09,670 --> 02:27:08,080
one second and stuff like that that's a

3729
02:27:11,270 --> 02:27:09,680
that's a different world it's completely

3730
02:27:13,190 --> 02:27:11,280
and the crafts are conscious you put

3731
02:27:14,790 --> 02:27:13,200
your hand on a panel you become one with

3732
02:27:16,550 --> 02:27:14,800
a craft and whatever you think is what

3733
02:27:18,230 --> 02:27:16,560
the craft does that

3734
02:27:19,750 --> 02:27:18,240
that's where we need to go and start

3735
02:27:21,990 --> 02:27:19,760
talking about that kind of stuff and you

3736
02:27:23,910 --> 02:27:22,000
start to realize this is this is way

3737
02:27:25,510 --> 02:27:23,920
more magnificent a story than people

3738
02:27:26,790 --> 02:27:25,520
think it's not going to be

3739
02:27:29,349 --> 02:27:26,800
simple as far as i'm concerned it's not

3740
02:27:30,710 --> 02:27:29,359
going to be some simple explanation that

3741
02:27:32,790 --> 02:27:30,720
some aliens

3742
02:27:34,630 --> 02:27:32,800
you know got misdirected and happened to

3743
02:27:36,790 --> 02:27:34,640
come to earth it's going to have to do

3744
02:27:38,870 --> 02:27:36,800
with you know the detonation atomic bomb

3745
02:27:40,710 --> 02:27:38,880
and suddenly all these these beings

3746
02:27:42,469 --> 02:27:40,720
start coming and they're but where

3747
02:27:45,030 --> 02:27:42,479
they're coming from i i've never heard

3748
02:27:47,030 --> 02:27:45,040
any high-level guy that absolutely

3749
02:27:48,630 --> 02:27:47,040
maintained he knew they were coming from

3750
02:27:50,630 --> 02:27:48,640
everybody it's like jim send me that at

3751
02:27:53,510 --> 02:27:50,640
one point said there does not appear to

3752
02:27:55,429 --> 02:27:53,520
be any there there when you hear that

3753
02:27:56,550 --> 02:27:55,439
you realize this guy knows more than you

3754
02:27:57,830 --> 02:27:56,560
and i

3755
02:27:59,990 --> 02:27:57,840
what's he talking about when he said

3756
02:28:01,670 --> 02:28:00,000
there's no there there my idea of

3757
02:28:03,830 --> 02:28:01,680
reality was shattered when he had his

3758
02:28:05,830 --> 02:28:03,840
experience he said my idea of reality

3759
02:28:07,349 --> 02:28:05,840
was shattered and we're still holding

3760
02:28:09,030 --> 02:28:07,359
this reality that there's planets out

3761
02:28:10,150 --> 02:28:09,040
there and that these the aliens and

3762
02:28:11,750 --> 02:28:10,160
they're flying these crafts and they

3763
02:28:13,270 --> 02:28:11,760
just have gone past the speed of light

3764
02:28:14,790 --> 02:28:13,280
and when you start getting it deep and

3765
02:28:17,670 --> 02:28:14,800
talking to people experiences like jim

3766
02:28:19,110 --> 02:28:17,680
semivan you realize it's really really

3767
02:28:20,950 --> 02:28:19,120
going to be weird

3768
02:28:23,030 --> 02:28:20,960
we've got three minutes before the break

3769
02:28:24,710 --> 02:28:23,040
and then we'll circle back but why do

3770
02:28:27,830 --> 02:28:24,720
you think

3771
02:28:29,990 --> 02:28:27,840
the leaks have just stopped

3772
02:28:32,389 --> 02:28:30,000
right i mean they that

3773
02:28:34,150 --> 02:28:32,399
there's no leaking and we had a lot of

3774
02:28:36,790 --> 02:28:34,160
leaks over the last four years why do

3775
02:28:38,230 --> 02:28:36,800
you think they've suddenly stopped

3776
02:28:40,070 --> 02:28:38,240
no i haven't even thought about that i

3777
02:28:41,349 --> 02:28:40,080
mean i've seen like you see jimmy sembia

3778
02:28:42,630 --> 02:28:41,359
and it's not coming public i mean he's

3779
02:28:44,950 --> 02:28:42,640
doing another and he's doing piles of

3780
02:28:46,550 --> 02:28:44,960
piles of interviews he's he was the guy

3781
02:28:48,070 --> 02:28:46,560
he was like the the nice guy down the

3782
02:28:50,150 --> 02:28:48,080
street that was selling uh greeting

3783
02:28:52,150 --> 02:28:50,160
cards you know i don't think he you know

3784
02:28:54,790 --> 02:28:52,160
and now he's he's suddenly talking and

3785
02:28:57,830 --> 02:28:54,800
he's he's he's he's talking

3786
02:28:59,590 --> 02:28:57,840
uh uh a lot about what actually happened

3787
02:29:01,270 --> 02:28:59,600
and what he what he believes and these

3788
02:29:03,190 --> 02:29:01,280
weird things

3789
02:29:05,830 --> 02:29:03,200
um it'll go in

3790
02:29:07,190 --> 02:29:05,840
in once elizando's book comes out well

3791
02:29:09,190 --> 02:29:07,200
it'll go again

3792
02:29:10,309 --> 02:29:09,200
uh i think a lot of this is planned

3793
02:29:11,990 --> 02:29:10,319
especially when i heard this thing about

3794
02:29:14,389 --> 02:29:12,000
the eight year thing and this

3795
02:29:15,830 --> 02:29:14,399
maintaining that was back in 2016 that

3796
02:29:17,429 --> 02:29:15,840
this thing was all planned or even if

3797
02:29:19,030 --> 02:29:17,439
you look at the the interviews you

3798
02:29:21,990 --> 02:29:19,040
started looking at bigelow's interview

3799
02:29:23,349 --> 02:29:22,000
2013 when he said no we how are you in

3800
02:29:25,349 --> 02:29:23,359
favor of disclosure you said no i'm not

3801
02:29:27,830 --> 02:29:25,359
in favor of disclosure i'm in favor of

3802
02:29:29,830 --> 02:29:27,840
confirmation well you confirm it first

3803
02:29:31,429 --> 02:29:29,840
then you do disclosure about aliens and

3804
02:29:32,950 --> 02:29:31,439
stuff like that and that's exactly what

3805
02:29:35,590 --> 02:29:32,960
happened and you start going like was

3806
02:29:38,230 --> 02:29:35,600
this all orchestrated and the bill moore

3807
02:29:39,349 --> 02:29:38,240
fbi thing indicates yeah this this may

3808
02:29:40,790 --> 02:29:39,359
have actually been orchestrated they

3809
02:29:42,070 --> 02:29:40,800
would have been doing this for years

3810
02:29:43,349 --> 02:29:42,080
trying to figure out how to get this

3811
02:29:45,030 --> 02:29:43,359
story out

3812
02:29:46,550 --> 02:29:45,040
yeah but um

3813
02:29:47,590 --> 02:29:46,560
right right right

3814
02:29:50,790 --> 02:29:47,600
but

3815
02:29:53,590 --> 02:29:50,800
no more pilots have come forward no more

3816
02:29:56,550 --> 02:29:53,600
crew members from different ships no

3817
02:29:57,830 --> 02:29:56,560
more videos have been leaked no more

3818
02:29:59,990 --> 02:29:57,840
incidents

3819
02:30:02,309 --> 02:30:00,000
uh have been spoken about

3820
02:30:06,469 --> 02:30:02,319
it it's it's really strange to me how

3821
02:30:08,230 --> 02:30:06,479
the the breaks have been pumped grant

3822
02:30:10,950 --> 02:30:08,240
yeah i i haven't really i really

3823
02:30:12,389 --> 02:30:10,960
followed that i've just been watching

3824
02:30:13,750 --> 02:30:12,399
the key people talking i mean you're

3825
02:30:15,110 --> 02:30:13,760
still gonna have alexander's book coming

3826
02:30:17,190 --> 02:30:15,120
out i mean that's gonna it's gonna have

3827
02:30:19,510 --> 02:30:17,200
some new stuff in there it's gonna

3828
02:30:21,030 --> 02:30:19,520
you know and and you may be waiting for

3829
02:30:23,510 --> 02:30:21,040
a period where they're waiting for the

3830
02:30:25,990 --> 02:30:23,520
next report or

3831
02:30:28,309 --> 02:30:26,000
you never know because i mean uh

3832
02:30:30,230 --> 02:30:28,319
when when i was watching it as it

3833
02:30:31,750 --> 02:30:30,240
unfolded there was there was these

3834
02:30:34,150 --> 02:30:31,760
indications that they seem to know what

3835
02:30:34,950 --> 02:30:34,160
was going to happen next and

3836
02:30:36,309 --> 02:30:34,960
so

3837
02:30:38,630 --> 02:30:36,319
maybe it's just a period where

3838
02:30:40,550 --> 02:30:38,640
everybody's uh been told to hold off

3839
02:30:41,910 --> 02:30:40,560
till until something happened like they

3840
02:30:42,950 --> 02:30:41,920
all knew the new york times article was

3841
02:30:43,910 --> 02:30:42,960
coming even

3842
02:30:45,830 --> 02:30:43,920
at the end

3843
02:30:47,349 --> 02:30:45,840
tom delong was frustrated if you see

3844
02:30:50,630 --> 02:30:47,359
just before the new york times article

3845
02:30:51,590 --> 02:30:50,640
he said another delay ugh

3846
02:30:55,830 --> 02:30:51,600
yeah

3847
02:30:57,349 --> 02:30:55,840
told to hold it off and and and keep

3848
02:30:58,469 --> 02:30:57,359
quiet they all knew the article was

3849
02:31:00,790 --> 02:30:58,479
coming but

3850
02:31:02,150 --> 02:31:00,800
it's all this timing thing where the the

3851
02:31:04,550 --> 02:31:02,160
articles released the new york times

3852
02:31:06,389 --> 02:31:04,560
article you you actually know right it

3853
02:31:08,389 --> 02:31:06,399
was it was released on exactly the same

3854
02:31:10,230 --> 02:31:08,399
day as blue book or shot the the paper

3855
02:31:13,190 --> 02:31:10,240
version of the new york times story was

3856
02:31:15,429 --> 02:31:13,200
on on december 17th the same day as

3857
02:31:17,429 --> 02:31:15,439
blue book was shot in 1969 and you say

3858
02:31:20,230 --> 02:31:17,439
well is that accident is that random

3859
02:31:21,830 --> 02:31:20,240
it's like it's uh no that date was

3860
02:31:24,469 --> 02:31:21,840
circled

3861
02:31:25,910 --> 02:31:24,479
that's a fact hey grant stay right there

3862
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we're going to take a quick break we'll

3863
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head into overtime right after this this

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is fade to black i'm your host jimmy

3865
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church grant cameron

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over time with grant cameron you knew

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i love it when grant is on the show you

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grant i'm going to make a confession in

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want to um i want to do this uh

3982
02:37:44,550 --> 02:37:42,240
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3983
02:37:46,630 --> 02:37:44,560
um

3984
02:37:48,150 --> 02:37:46,640
let me start it with a statement

3985
02:37:50,309 --> 02:37:48,160
tic tac

3986
02:37:52,150 --> 02:37:50,319
physical nuts and bolts

3987
02:37:53,110 --> 02:37:52,160
i i believe that

3988
02:37:55,429 --> 02:37:53,120
um

3989
02:37:58,790 --> 02:37:55,439
and i've had sightings

3990
02:38:02,070 --> 02:37:58,800
totally physical i mean nuts and bolts

3991
02:38:04,150 --> 02:38:02,080
physical craft metallic craft

3992
02:38:05,429 --> 02:38:04,160
others not so much

3993
02:38:07,910 --> 02:38:05,439
did you

3994
02:38:12,070 --> 02:38:07,920
go through a phase starting back with

3995
02:38:13,990 --> 02:38:12,080
charlie red star because you described

3996
02:38:15,590 --> 02:38:14,000
the craft over the top of the car when

3997
02:38:17,190 --> 02:38:15,600
you guys were driving and you got a

3998
02:38:19,590 --> 02:38:17,200
clear view of it

3999
02:38:21,429 --> 02:38:19,600
that was nuts and bolts your description

4000
02:38:24,070 --> 02:38:21,439
of that craft i may be wrong i don't

4001
02:38:25,830 --> 02:38:24,080
want to put words in your mouth but um

4002
02:38:29,670 --> 02:38:25,840
clearly today

4003
02:38:31,750 --> 02:38:29,680
we're seeing a mix of both

4004
02:38:33,990 --> 02:38:31,760
have you gone through transitions and a

4005
02:38:35,510 --> 02:38:34,000
back and forth as to what we are seeing

4006
02:38:37,429 --> 02:38:35,520
in the skies

4007
02:38:39,429 --> 02:38:37,439
well i i always believed it was nuts and

4008
02:38:41,910 --> 02:38:39,439
bolts i mean i had the revelation in

4009
02:38:43,510 --> 02:38:41,920
2012 when i had this download and i was

4010
02:38:45,349 --> 02:38:43,520
told it's all consciousness that's what

4011
02:38:47,270 --> 02:38:45,359
it's about it's about consciousness so

4012
02:38:48,870 --> 02:38:47,280
what i would say is i made the shift and

4013
02:38:50,790 --> 02:38:48,880
i didn't first i didn't know it was

4014
02:38:53,030 --> 02:38:50,800
non-local consciousness and it sort of

4015
02:38:54,870 --> 02:38:53,040
unraveled and i did i got told sort of a

4016
02:38:56,389 --> 02:38:54,880
little bit more i had these sort of flow

4017
02:38:58,630 --> 02:38:56,399
states where a little bit more would

4018
02:38:59,429 --> 02:38:58,640
come and i move more and more

4019
02:39:02,230 --> 02:38:59,439
to

4020
02:39:03,990 --> 02:39:02,240
the idea that this the universe is not

4021
02:39:06,790 --> 02:39:04,000
as nuts and bolts as we think it is the

4022
02:39:09,030 --> 02:39:06,800
example that i would use to define it to

4023
02:39:11,190 --> 02:39:09,040
uh describe what may be happening

4024
02:39:14,230 --> 02:39:11,200
and this was i got the honor to

4025
02:39:16,070 --> 02:39:14,240
interview leslie kane so leslie kane

4026
02:39:18,070 --> 02:39:16,080
as you know worked with

4027
02:39:20,070 --> 02:39:18,080
she did some work on life after death

4028
02:39:21,510 --> 02:39:20,080
she worked with a student alexander is a

4029
02:39:23,670 --> 02:39:21,520
physical medium she tells the story he

4030
02:39:25,670 --> 02:39:23,680
said leslie tell me the story about the

4031
02:39:27,110 --> 02:39:25,680
hand because the story about the hand

4032
02:39:29,510 --> 02:39:27,120
describes what may be going on with the

4033
02:39:31,030 --> 02:39:29,520
ufo phenomena so she says i'm sitting at

4034
02:39:32,710 --> 02:39:31,040
the table and she said this happened a

4035
02:39:33,910 --> 02:39:32,720
number of times where she's at this

4036
02:39:35,830 --> 02:39:33,920
little table and there's this light

4037
02:39:37,349 --> 02:39:35,840
under the table and this sort of water

4038
02:39:40,150 --> 02:39:37,359
stuff starts coming sort of up on the

4039
02:39:43,030 --> 02:39:40,160
table and this hand starts to appear and

4040
02:39:45,190 --> 02:39:43,040
it it forms into a physical hand and she

4041
02:39:47,990 --> 02:39:45,200
says i touch it and it's like soft like

4042
02:39:49,590 --> 02:39:48,000
a baby's hand but it's it's it's a male

4043
02:39:51,590 --> 02:39:49,600
hand and it's it you can feel the

4044
02:39:53,349 --> 02:39:51,600
knuckles and all this sort of stuff and

4045
02:39:54,150 --> 02:39:53,359
it's as real as can be

4046
02:39:58,950 --> 02:39:54,160
and

4047
02:40:00,870 --> 02:39:58,960
then it sort of melts back into this uh

4048
02:40:03,110 --> 02:40:00,880
watery stuff and disappears and that's

4049
02:40:05,030 --> 02:40:03,120
what it is so it comes in it can become

4050
02:40:06,950 --> 02:40:05,040
physical and then it goes back where it

4051
02:40:08,389 --> 02:40:06,960
came from and you see this over and over

4052
02:40:11,510 --> 02:40:08,399
again with the with the beings where the

4053
02:40:12,870 --> 02:40:11,520
beings come in and and the

4054
02:40:15,269 --> 02:40:12,880
people will describe for example the

4055
02:40:16,550 --> 02:40:15,279
beings all join in a circle

4056
02:40:19,030 --> 02:40:16,560
they're not they're nuts and bolts

4057
02:40:22,070 --> 02:40:19,040
they're physical beings they they they

4058
02:40:23,429 --> 02:40:22,080
they turn into they they hold hands they

4059
02:40:25,030 --> 02:40:23,439
start making a circle they go faster and

4060
02:40:26,630 --> 02:40:25,040
faster and then suddenly they start

4061
02:40:28,309 --> 02:40:26,640
becoming translucent and then they

4062
02:40:29,670 --> 02:40:28,319
suddenly turn into light and the light

4063
02:40:31,269 --> 02:40:29,680
gets smaller and smaller to a little

4064
02:40:33,110 --> 02:40:31,279
ball of light it disappears and the ball

4065
02:40:34,790 --> 02:40:33,120
of light just poop it's gone so they can

4066
02:40:35,990 --> 02:40:34,800
come into the physical world and they

4067
02:40:37,830 --> 02:40:36,000
can go back where they came from so

4068
02:40:39,750 --> 02:40:37,840
that's my impression of of what's going

4069
02:40:41,590 --> 02:40:39,760
on so yeah there is nuts and bolts

4070
02:40:43,190 --> 02:40:41,600
aspects of this thing but when you talk

4071
02:40:45,110 --> 02:40:43,200
to the experiencers they will talk about

4072
02:40:47,030 --> 02:40:45,120
like john ramirez talks about goes to

4073
02:40:48,389 --> 02:40:47,040
this ice planet and he said there's no

4074
02:40:51,110 --> 02:40:48,399
craft and you start talking about this

4075
02:40:52,389 --> 02:40:51,120
merkaba thing where this may be involved

4076
02:40:55,590 --> 02:40:52,399
and and other people have talked about

4077
02:40:57,269 --> 02:40:55,600
this where the idea is the the world is

4078
02:40:58,870 --> 02:40:57,279
not as physical as we think it is that

4079
02:41:00,309 --> 02:40:58,880
there's everything is like different

4080
02:41:01,190 --> 02:41:00,319
vibrations so what they're doing is

4081
02:41:03,670 --> 02:41:01,200
they're moving you to different

4082
02:41:05,429 --> 02:41:03,680
vibrations it becomes less physical so

4083
02:41:07,110 --> 02:41:05,439
yeah the nuts and bolts thing is there's

4084
02:41:08,950 --> 02:41:07,120
actually nuts and bolts crafts as when

4085
02:41:11,030 --> 02:41:08,960
they when they come in but they can

4086
02:41:13,030 --> 02:41:11,040
disappear that's what jim semivan says

4087
02:41:14,070 --> 02:41:13,040
where they're moving along with the

4088
02:41:15,349 --> 02:41:14,080
sensors and all of a sudden it

4089
02:41:17,030 --> 02:41:15,359
disappears off the sensor just like

4090
02:41:18,790 --> 02:41:17,040
disappears almost like it's showing off

4091
02:41:20,710 --> 02:41:18,800
it's like i'm physical no no i'm not

4092
02:41:22,150 --> 02:41:20,720
physical it just disappears and i saw

4093
02:41:23,830 --> 02:41:22,160
that as well where they where the object

4094
02:41:25,670 --> 02:41:23,840
would be there and it just suddenly

4095
02:41:27,429 --> 02:41:25,680
disappears we had one where i was pretty

4096
02:41:28,950 --> 02:41:27,439
close i was uh that's the one i was

4097
02:41:30,950 --> 02:41:28,960
going to jump on it was that close and

4098
02:41:33,110 --> 02:41:30,960
it would it would appear and reappear

4099
02:41:33,990 --> 02:41:33,120
and stuff like that so yeah this that's

4100
02:41:40,710 --> 02:41:34,000
the

4101
02:41:43,349 --> 02:41:40,720
it's we're assuming everything is nuts

4102
02:41:45,349 --> 02:41:43,359
and bolts and where jim semivan says

4103
02:41:47,269 --> 02:41:45,359
when you get down to it

4104
02:41:49,110 --> 02:41:47,279
there's no there there that

4105
02:41:51,190 --> 02:41:49,120
it sort of all fades away and you start

4106
02:41:53,030 --> 02:41:51,200
to realize like what's really going on

4107
02:41:54,469 --> 02:41:53,040
what is reality

4108
02:41:56,469 --> 02:41:54,479
the uh

4109
02:42:00,550 --> 02:41:56,479
the idea

4110
02:42:03,590 --> 02:42:00,560
that things could just disappear

4111
02:42:05,429 --> 02:42:03,600
for me was starting to push things out

4112
02:42:07,269 --> 02:42:05,439
there a little bit for my own reality

4113
02:42:11,030 --> 02:42:07,279
until i saw it happen

4114
02:42:14,070 --> 02:42:11,040
and and when a broad daylight and when

4115
02:42:15,830 --> 02:42:14,080
you see a giant ship just phase out and

4116
02:42:18,150 --> 02:42:15,840
by the way grant

4117
02:42:20,469 --> 02:42:18,160
the the day that this happened and we're

4118
02:42:21,830 --> 02:42:20,479
looking at this ginormous craft in the

4119
02:42:24,389 --> 02:42:21,840
sky and i thought it was going to be

4120
02:42:26,710 --> 02:42:24,399
there for hours as slow as it was moving

4121
02:42:30,309 --> 02:42:26,720
and it was huge

4122
02:42:32,200 --> 02:42:30,319
when it disappeared when it phased out

4123
02:42:34,309 --> 02:42:32,210
was when i wasn't looking

4124
02:42:36,230 --> 02:42:34,319
[Laughter]

4125
02:42:38,710 --> 02:42:36,240
i was looking at it and then i went back

4126
02:42:40,630 --> 02:42:38,720
to the binoculars and i'm trying to find

4127
02:42:43,429 --> 02:42:40,640
it in the binoculars again and everybody

4128
02:42:46,309 --> 02:42:43,439
starts yelling it it disappeared

4129
02:42:49,110 --> 02:42:46,319
and i come back out i missed it

4130
02:42:52,469 --> 02:42:49,120
i missed the phase out

4131
02:42:55,190 --> 02:42:52,479
seeing the craft was great

4132
02:42:56,070 --> 02:42:55,200
but i wanted to see the best part which

4133
02:43:03,670 --> 02:42:56,080
is

4134
02:43:04,630 --> 02:43:03,680
i i i i still can't believe it

4135
02:43:07,110 --> 02:43:04,640
and that's what i always find

4136
02:43:08,389 --> 02:43:07,120
interesting now now when i look back i

4137
02:43:09,670 --> 02:43:08,399
start to ask questions that i never

4138
02:43:11,590 --> 02:43:09,680
would have asked before so when someone

4139
02:43:13,510 --> 02:43:11,600
sees the ufo like that and

4140
02:43:14,389 --> 02:43:13,520
and and then i always say

4141
02:43:15,990 --> 02:43:14,399
so

4142
02:43:17,590 --> 02:43:16,000
where what was it doing and everybody

4143
02:43:18,870 --> 02:43:17,600
says the same thing wasn't doing

4144
02:43:20,469 --> 02:43:18,880
anything it was just there and he said

4145
02:43:23,349 --> 02:43:20,479
do you think it wanted you to see it

4146
02:43:24,950 --> 02:43:23,359
yeah i think so did it did it show off

4147
02:43:26,309 --> 02:43:24,960
yeah it was kind of like you know and

4148
02:43:28,230 --> 02:43:26,319
that's the whole thing is what are they

4149
02:43:29,269 --> 02:43:28,240
actually doing because when i first saw

4150
02:43:31,429 --> 02:43:29,279
it the first night it came right in

4151
02:43:32,710 --> 02:43:31,439
front of the car down low

4152
02:43:35,429 --> 02:43:32,720
so that i couldn't miss it the second

4153
02:43:37,110 --> 02:43:35,439
night it came at me and then flew

4154
02:43:38,790 --> 02:43:37,120
off into the northeast and i'm thinking

4155
02:43:41,030 --> 02:43:38,800
like 40 years later i suddenly realized

4156
02:43:42,550 --> 02:43:41,040
ago why did it not just go from the west

4157
02:43:44,469 --> 02:43:42,560
into the northeast why did it come at me

4158
02:43:47,269 --> 02:43:44,479
and then make the turn and go northeast

4159
02:43:49,190 --> 02:43:47,279
and as it was flying away i i i was

4160
02:43:50,550 --> 02:43:49,200
looking out and i go what was it doing

4161
02:43:51,750 --> 02:43:50,560
it's not doing anything and that was the

4162
02:43:53,190 --> 02:43:51,760
whole thing like why was it in this

4163
02:43:54,710 --> 02:43:53,200
little town like it's not doing anything

4164
02:43:56,150 --> 02:43:54,720
it's just flying along we even made a

4165
02:43:57,830 --> 02:43:56,160
joke we said it was it's because

4166
02:43:59,030 --> 02:43:57,840
canadians used to have like high alcohol

4167
02:44:00,710 --> 02:43:59,040
beer compared to the united states it

4168
02:44:02,070 --> 02:44:00,720
was like american bureau was like water

4169
02:44:03,429 --> 02:44:02,080
so we're making this joke oh it's come

4170
02:44:05,510 --> 02:44:03,439
to pick up beer it's going back to the

4171
02:44:07,110 --> 02:44:05,520
united states it's doing a beer run and

4172
02:44:08,950 --> 02:44:07,120
we couldn't we could never figure it out

4173
02:44:10,309 --> 02:44:08,960
and that's the whole deal is you start

4174
02:44:12,309 --> 02:44:10,319
to wonder like what's really going on

4175
02:44:13,670 --> 02:44:12,319
like why is it appearing like if you

4176
02:44:16,550 --> 02:44:13,680
heard the bud hopkins one where bud

4177
02:44:17,750 --> 02:44:16,560
hopkins in 70 64 or whatever has has

4178
02:44:19,750 --> 02:44:17,760
this sighting where the thing's above

4179
02:44:21,030 --> 02:44:19,760
the car and it's just sitting there and

4180
02:44:22,950 --> 02:44:21,040
it's not doing anything and he's got

4181
02:44:24,389 --> 02:44:22,960
these friends there and his daytime and

4182
02:44:26,230 --> 02:44:24,399
then he gets obsessed and he goes back

4183
02:44:27,750 --> 02:44:26,240
the next day and he retraces the route

4184
02:44:29,670 --> 02:44:27,760
how long did it take and stuff like that

4185
02:44:31,429 --> 02:44:29,680
and it's this idea that that a lot of

4186
02:44:32,630 --> 02:44:31,439
what may be happening is they're just

4187
02:44:35,349 --> 02:44:32,640
trying to drag you down the rabbit hole

4188
02:44:36,790 --> 02:44:35,359
they they want to get you there so you

4189
02:44:38,630 --> 02:44:36,800
you work on this and everybody talks

4190
02:44:41,590 --> 02:44:38,640
about it and consciousness rises right

4191
02:44:43,429 --> 02:44:41,600
and it's just this weird weird uh

4192
02:44:45,750 --> 02:44:43,439
material we should actually discuss the

4193
02:44:47,429 --> 02:44:45,760
obama files i if you wanna you wanna

4194
02:44:48,710 --> 02:44:47,439
because john you talked about john

4195
02:44:50,070 --> 02:44:48,720
greenwald and that was one of the big

4196
02:44:52,950 --> 02:44:50,080
discoveries he's made in the last little

4197
02:44:55,830 --> 02:44:52,960
while is the obama files he's got his

4198
02:44:58,389 --> 02:44:55,840
foia 26 000 pages they're talking in a

4199
02:45:00,550 --> 02:44:58,399
preliminary uh report

4200
02:45:02,389 --> 02:45:00,560
and the obama files because i've got all

4201
02:45:03,670 --> 02:45:02,399
the presidential files i've got 10 000

4202
02:45:05,910 --> 02:45:03,680
or whatever

4203
02:45:07,190 --> 02:45:05,920
clinton files and stuff and the obama

4204
02:45:09,030 --> 02:45:07,200
files there's gonna be no dis there's

4205
02:45:10,230 --> 02:45:09,040
nothing there's nothing blocked out

4206
02:45:13,110 --> 02:45:10,240
presidential files they don't block

4207
02:45:14,710 --> 02:45:13,120
anything out and i've filed all sorts of

4208
02:45:15,670 --> 02:45:14,720
stuff i filed for the presidential

4209
02:45:17,110 --> 02:45:15,680
briefing i know when there was a

4210
02:45:18,790 --> 02:45:17,120
presidential briefing i know who gave it

4211
02:45:20,630 --> 02:45:18,800
i know what the subject was i know where

4212
02:45:23,190 --> 02:45:20,640
the briefing took place and stuff so i

4213
02:45:24,309 --> 02:45:23,200
filed for a lot of stuff and and obama

4214
02:45:27,110 --> 02:45:24,319
had a lot of stuff he's the guy

4215
02:45:28,950 --> 02:45:27,120
declassified area 51 by talking about it

4216
02:45:31,269 --> 02:45:28,960
he's he's the one that that talked to

4217
02:45:35,670 --> 02:45:31,279
this little uh girl the six-year-old

4218
02:45:37,590 --> 02:45:35,680
girl and talked about uh you know um

4219
02:45:39,429 --> 02:45:37,600
contact with aliens and he's the one

4220
02:45:41,750 --> 02:45:39,439
that said to jaden

4221
02:45:42,389 --> 02:45:41,760
smith in the situation room where he

4222
02:45:44,389 --> 02:45:42,399
said

4223
02:45:46,150 --> 02:45:44,399
you know uh he even knew what the

4224
02:45:47,110 --> 02:45:46,160
question was before jade nasty i know

4225
02:45:48,950 --> 02:45:47,120
what you want you want to ask about the

4226
02:45:50,790 --> 02:45:48,960
aliens don't you i can either confirm or

4227
02:45:53,990 --> 02:45:50,800
deny that extraterrestrials exist but if

4228
02:45:55,190 --> 02:45:54,000
they there was a meeting about it it

4229
02:45:56,630 --> 02:45:55,200
would have occurred in this very room

4230
02:46:00,070 --> 02:45:56,640
and they're in the situation room so i

4231
02:46:01,830 --> 02:46:00,080
filed on that 9 300 pages on that family

4232
02:46:03,830 --> 02:46:01,840
as to what happened because i'm i'm

4233
02:46:05,590 --> 02:46:03,840
shooting a sort of a dart and just

4234
02:46:08,950 --> 02:46:05,600
throwing darts and hoping to hit

4235
02:46:11,110 --> 02:46:08,960
something that they talked about

4236
02:46:12,950 --> 02:46:11,120
the incident after or how was the

4237
02:46:15,990 --> 02:46:12,960
meeting set up and stuff like that so

4238
02:46:19,269 --> 02:46:16,000
i've filed a a lot of material as well

4239
02:46:21,030 --> 02:46:19,279
and i've got uh 10 000 plus pages coming

4240
02:46:23,269 --> 02:46:21,040
back and they haven't even looked at my

4241
02:46:25,429 --> 02:46:23,279
ufo stuff yet they haven't answered that

4242
02:46:26,630 --> 02:46:25,439
but i look at katy perry i look at edgar

4243
02:46:27,750 --> 02:46:26,640
mitchell with the meeting that they're

4244
02:46:29,590 --> 02:46:27,760
going to set up with the president with

4245
02:46:31,990 --> 02:46:29,600
edgar mitchell i've got material coming

4246
02:46:34,790 --> 02:46:32,000
back on that with rebecca hardcastle

4247
02:46:37,670 --> 02:46:34,800
wright and they're probably going to be

4248
02:46:39,190 --> 02:46:37,680
i would guess 50 000 pages of stuff

4249
02:46:40,630 --> 02:46:39,200
coming out of the obama administration

4250
02:46:42,950 --> 02:46:40,640
now it's gonna a lot of it's gonna be

4251
02:46:44,309 --> 02:46:42,960
crazy stuff about like every every

4252
02:46:46,469 --> 02:46:44,319
incident like when he talked about when

4253
02:46:49,110 --> 02:46:46,479
he went to roswell or when he uh talked

4254
02:46:50,790 --> 02:46:49,120
about area 51 there's like 300 newspaper

4255
02:46:51,910 --> 02:46:50,800
articles they'll have all those and

4256
02:46:53,429 --> 02:46:51,920
there's going to be the stephen grier

4257
02:46:55,190 --> 02:46:53,439
stuff stephen always puts in his

4258
02:46:57,269 --> 02:46:55,200
briefing thing and there's like 500

4259
02:46:58,870 --> 02:46:57,279
pages in there with you know his his

4260
02:47:00,389 --> 02:46:58,880
report and his brief what he called the

4261
02:47:01,990 --> 02:47:00,399
briefing stuff and all these ufo

4262
02:47:02,790 --> 02:47:02,000
documents and stuff like that but

4263
02:47:04,230 --> 02:47:02,800
there's going to be a lot of stuff

4264
02:47:07,110 --> 02:47:04,240
coming out of the obama

4265
02:47:10,469 --> 02:47:07,120
white house whether i think um

4266
02:47:13,030 --> 02:47:10,479
but didn't they say 16 years

4267
02:47:13,750 --> 02:47:13,040
yeah that then but he but i asked the

4268
02:47:18,950 --> 02:47:13,760
the

4269
02:47:20,710 --> 02:47:18,960
apparently it's you can actually get it

4270
02:47:22,309 --> 02:47:20,720
online the correspondence between john

4271
02:47:23,830 --> 02:47:22,319
and them but i think what they may be

4272
02:47:25,510 --> 02:47:23,840
talking about because john is kind of

4273
02:47:27,269 --> 02:47:25,520
down the line he had kovitz so he didn't

4274
02:47:29,190 --> 02:47:27,279
file for two days i actually made a

4275
02:47:30,790 --> 02:47:29,200
mistake i knew i knew it was five years

4276
02:47:31,990 --> 02:47:30,800
from the time the president leaves so i

4277
02:47:33,269 --> 02:47:32,000
was all ready i've been waiting for five

4278
02:47:35,510 --> 02:47:33,279
years to file

4279
02:47:37,670 --> 02:47:35,520
and guess what i forgot it was going to

4280
02:47:39,670 --> 02:47:37,680
file at midnight and it's suddenly like

4281
02:47:41,590 --> 02:47:39,680
11 o'clock that night and the next day

4282
02:47:42,710 --> 02:47:41,600
i'm going oh i forgot the file and so i

4283
02:47:46,070 --> 02:47:42,720
quickly

4284
02:47:49,269 --> 02:47:46,080
sent my 30 foias in and

4285
02:47:52,630 --> 02:47:49,279
i'm way down the list john's about 500

4286
02:47:53,830 --> 02:47:52,640
500 or 600 behind me with his foi so i

4287
02:47:55,990 --> 02:47:53,840
think they're talking about the entire

4288
02:47:59,110 --> 02:47:56,000
collection uh that's my guess that's

4289
02:48:01,349 --> 02:47:59,120
going to take 16 years to um to do but

4290
02:48:03,269 --> 02:48:01,359
the the good thing about it is

4291
02:48:05,190 --> 02:48:03,279
that it's first come first serve so i

4292
02:48:07,030 --> 02:48:05,200
remember when i did the the clinton

4293
02:48:09,590 --> 02:48:07,040
thing everybody wanted to know all the

4294
02:48:10,950 --> 02:48:09,600
like fox news and associated press and

4295
02:48:12,309 --> 02:48:10,960
washington post and everybody wanted to

4296
02:48:13,830 --> 02:48:12,319
know why is there so much ufo stuff

4297
02:48:15,349 --> 02:48:13,840
coming out of the clinton white house

4298
02:48:16,710 --> 02:48:15,359
and in fact hillary talked about that

4299
02:48:19,910 --> 02:48:16,720
she said it was the most requested thing

4300
02:48:23,830 --> 02:48:19,920
in the in the um the clinton library was

4301
02:48:25,590 --> 02:48:23,840
the f the stuff on ufos and uh i

4302
02:48:28,150 --> 02:48:25,600
remember there was this conservative

4303
02:48:31,030 --> 02:48:28,160
bunch of lawyers that were trying to get

4304
02:48:33,110 --> 02:48:31,040
hillary clinton's um

4305
02:48:34,389 --> 02:48:33,120
phone records and they were furious they

4306
02:48:35,990 --> 02:48:34,399
were they filed a complaint and they

4307
02:48:37,190 --> 02:48:36,000
were going to take the library to court

4308
02:48:39,030 --> 02:48:37,200
because they were they were doing the

4309
02:48:40,469 --> 02:48:39,040
stupid ufo stuff when they when they

4310
02:48:43,830 --> 02:48:40,479
should have been releasing the hillary

4311
02:48:45,429 --> 02:48:43,840
clinton uh uh phone records and so i

4312
02:48:46,790 --> 02:48:45,439
contacted them and basically told them

4313
02:48:47,910 --> 02:48:46,800
where to go and said if it was so

4314
02:48:49,510 --> 02:48:47,920
important you should have filed because

4315
02:48:51,030 --> 02:48:49,520
it's first come first serve now

4316
02:48:53,269 --> 02:48:51,040
unfortunately i didn't file until 11

4317
02:48:54,870 --> 02:48:53,279
o'clock at night if i had filed it at

4318
02:48:56,309 --> 02:48:54,880
midnight i would be first in line and

4319
02:48:57,910 --> 02:48:56,319
that's the whole deal with these things

4320
02:48:59,670 --> 02:48:57,920
it's first come first serve they go in

4321
02:49:01,830 --> 02:48:59,680
in line so it doesn't really matter what

4322
02:49:04,389 --> 02:49:01,840
you're requesting you you you go in a

4323
02:49:06,630 --> 02:49:04,399
queue so the queue may be 16 years long

4324
02:49:08,630 --> 02:49:06,640
to do the whole collection but it's you

4325
02:49:10,790 --> 02:49:08,640
gotta remember it's like whatever 40 50

4326
02:49:12,469 --> 02:49:10,800
million pages of material it's huge and

4327
02:49:14,550 --> 02:49:12,479
depending how many people they have we

4328
02:49:15,910 --> 02:49:14,560
have to review every document and and

4329
02:49:18,309 --> 02:49:15,920
scan them and all this kind of stuff

4330
02:49:20,309 --> 02:49:18,319
it's it's it's a major job even the the

4331
02:49:21,030 --> 02:49:20,319
stanton friedman file they said it would

4332
02:49:22,790 --> 02:49:21,040
be

4333
02:49:24,950 --> 02:49:22,800
they figured four years to do stanton's

4334
02:49:26,389 --> 02:49:24,960
files i mean it because you got to

4335
02:49:29,110 --> 02:49:26,399
realize it's all going to be properly

4336
02:49:30,790 --> 02:49:29,120
archived and stuff like that so yeah but

4337
02:49:32,550 --> 02:49:30,800
we'll we'll see what comes when it comes

4338
02:49:34,630 --> 02:49:32,560
of it i've got the obama book finished

4339
02:49:37,190 --> 02:49:34,640
except for the um

4340
02:49:39,429 --> 02:49:37,200
the foia material i may go without the

4341
02:49:41,030 --> 02:49:39,439
foia material but obama did a lot of

4342
02:49:43,429 --> 02:49:41,040
talking he was he was always talking

4343
02:49:44,870 --> 02:49:43,439
about ufos and so every single incident

4344
02:49:47,030 --> 02:49:44,880
i go and i say okay i want to hold the

4345
02:49:48,469 --> 02:49:47,040
correspondence with with the people and

4346
02:49:49,990 --> 02:49:48,479
the the the

4347
02:49:52,309 --> 02:49:50,000
the the

4348
02:49:54,150 --> 02:49:52,319
the um say if he did a speech i want the

4349
02:49:56,389 --> 02:49:54,160
the script of the speech that's where i

4350
02:49:57,510 --> 02:49:56,399
got uh ronald reagan i got lucky with

4351
02:49:59,510 --> 02:49:57,520
the ronald reagan one where he did the

4352
02:50:01,349 --> 02:49:59,520
alien invasion remark and i pulled the

4353
02:50:03,510 --> 02:50:01,359
one speech and that's where i saw that

4354
02:50:05,910 --> 02:50:03,520
they had said uh he had pulled they

4355
02:50:08,469 --> 02:50:05,920
pulled the alien invasion remark and and

4356
02:50:10,309 --> 02:50:08,479
reagan's handwriting he said oh i'd like

4357
02:50:11,990 --> 02:50:10,319
my fantasy put back in how the world

4358
02:50:13,830 --> 02:50:12,000
would be united if faced with a threat

4359
02:50:15,110 --> 02:50:13,840
from an alien race and that's actually

4360
02:50:16,870 --> 02:50:15,120
in his handwriting and they had to put

4361
02:50:18,389 --> 02:50:16,880
it back in the speech so from time to

4362
02:50:20,710 --> 02:50:18,399
time you'll get lucky to find out why

4363
02:50:22,790 --> 02:50:20,720
did they put it in and who signed off on

4364
02:50:24,950 --> 02:50:22,800
the speech who disagreed and you see

4365
02:50:26,230 --> 02:50:24,960
these people in behind the president

4366
02:50:27,510 --> 02:50:26,240
talking about this about oh the

4367
02:50:29,190 --> 02:50:27,520
president's talking about this did you

4368
02:50:30,870 --> 02:50:29,200
see that and you get all these emails

4369
02:50:32,950 --> 02:50:30,880
it'll be it'll be kind of interesting

4370
02:50:36,630 --> 02:50:32,960
and it'll be a pretty pretty sure it'll

4371
02:50:38,230 --> 02:50:36,640
be 40 50 000 or better pages of material

4372
02:50:42,389 --> 02:50:38,240
coming out of the obama administration

4373
02:50:45,750 --> 02:50:44,230
um i never did file on bush i was going

4374
02:50:48,870 --> 02:50:45,760
to do the same thing i was going to file

4375
02:50:51,590 --> 02:50:48,880
with bush um oh john

4376
02:50:52,950 --> 02:50:51,600
i think john commented on that last week

4377
02:50:56,070 --> 02:50:52,960
too as well

4378
02:50:57,110 --> 02:50:56,080
um and he was given a 20-year turn

4379
02:50:59,429 --> 02:50:57,120
around

4380
02:51:01,110 --> 02:50:59,439
uh from the bush library

4381
02:51:03,269 --> 02:51:01,120
yeah that they could be i mean good you

4382
02:51:05,670 --> 02:51:03,279
gotta remember i i i'm not sure what the

4383
02:51:08,389 --> 02:51:05,680
numbers but i'm pretty sure

4384
02:51:11,190 --> 02:51:08,399
i'm at least 700 in and that was i filed

4385
02:51:12,790 --> 02:51:11,200
at 11 o'clock at night so 23 hours after

4386
02:51:15,750 --> 02:51:12,800
it opened up it opened up at midnight on

4387
02:51:18,710 --> 02:51:15,760
the 20th i filed 23 hours later and i'm

4388
02:51:20,710 --> 02:51:18,720
at least 800 maybe even 1800 i don't

4389
02:51:22,870 --> 02:51:20,720
know where the number starts and john

4390
02:51:24,630 --> 02:51:22,880
700 behind me so there's a lot of

4391
02:51:26,309 --> 02:51:24,640
requests and a lot of them are big stuff

4392
02:51:27,910 --> 02:51:26,319
like they we want all

4393
02:51:29,510 --> 02:51:27,920
all the records of this or all the

4394
02:51:31,429 --> 02:51:29,520
records of that the hillary clinton

4395
02:51:32,790 --> 02:51:31,439
phone records i mean that took them six

4396
02:51:34,070 --> 02:51:32,800
months or a year just to do the phone

4397
02:51:35,750 --> 02:51:34,080
records they've got a you know it's a

4398
02:51:36,950 --> 02:51:35,760
big job for some of these requests of

4399
02:51:39,670 --> 02:51:36,960
what they want

4400
02:51:41,190 --> 02:51:39,680
and so it just depends um what's in

4401
02:51:43,110 --> 02:51:41,200
front of us or how far you're down the

4402
02:51:44,790 --> 02:51:43,120
queue i i'm not surprised it's going to

4403
02:51:46,230 --> 02:51:44,800
take that uh hopefully i'll get one or

4404
02:51:47,750 --> 02:51:46,240
two of mine back because because i've

4405
02:51:50,150 --> 02:51:47,760
got some interesting stuff i've got i

4406
02:51:51,990 --> 02:51:50,160
know when the briefing was and i asked

4407
02:51:53,750 --> 02:51:52,000
certain stuff and people told me i don't

4408
02:51:55,510 --> 02:51:53,760
think they can release my file i've

4409
02:51:57,349 --> 02:51:55,520
asked i told people i've got i've

4410
02:51:58,950 --> 02:51:57,359
requested your file and stuff like that

4411
02:52:00,389 --> 02:51:58,960
if they release any of that stuff i mean

4412
02:52:03,190 --> 02:52:00,399
it's game over because

4413
02:52:04,389 --> 02:52:03,200
uh he did get briefings and he

4414
02:52:06,230 --> 02:52:04,399
um

4415
02:52:08,389 --> 02:52:06,240
he he was very interested in the subject

4416
02:52:09,750 --> 02:52:08,399
and even stated that he he went to look

4417
02:52:11,670 --> 02:52:09,760
for it and it wasn't hidden from him and

4418
02:52:14,070 --> 02:52:11,680
stuff like that the podesta stuff will

4419
02:52:16,469 --> 02:52:14,080
all be withheld because he was like uh

4420
02:52:17,429 --> 02:52:16,479
you know what they call it like a

4421
02:52:19,590 --> 02:52:17,439
direct

4422
02:52:21,429 --> 02:52:19,600
uh encounters he's working for the

4423
02:52:22,790 --> 02:52:21,439
president so all that stuff is withheld

4424
02:52:23,750 --> 02:52:22,800
even the john podesta stuff i still

4425
02:52:25,030 --> 02:52:23,760
can't get from the clinton

4426
02:52:27,030 --> 02:52:25,040
administration where they're still

4427
02:52:28,710 --> 02:52:27,040
withholding it i lost the appeal and

4428
02:52:31,510 --> 02:52:28,720
that was um

4429
02:52:33,510 --> 02:52:31,520
where john podesta on his 50th birthday

4430
02:52:35,830 --> 02:52:33,520
i discovered that there was 83

4431
02:52:38,150 --> 02:52:35,840
photographs and a video taken

4432
02:52:39,750 --> 02:52:38,160
of his 50th birthday party and bill and

4433
02:52:42,550 --> 02:52:39,760
hillary dressed up like the x-files in

4434
02:52:45,269 --> 02:52:42,560
this birthday party and they went on a a

4435
02:52:47,349 --> 02:52:45,279
thing where they said oh it's it's uh uh

4436
02:52:49,190 --> 02:52:47,359
um personal and i said it can be

4437
02:52:51,590 --> 02:52:49,200
personal the white house paid for the

4438
02:52:52,790 --> 02:52:51,600
film uh he was a white house employee at

4439
02:52:55,590 --> 02:52:52,800
the time you can't say it's personal and

4440
02:52:57,030 --> 02:52:55,600
then i i lost the appeal and they said

4441
02:52:58,630 --> 02:52:57,040
12 years but

4442
02:53:01,590 --> 02:52:58,640
i may go back and refile for that but

4443
02:53:03,190 --> 02:53:01,600
that's from the um 1995 or whatever

4444
02:53:05,510 --> 02:53:03,200
they're still withholding that they will

4445
02:53:07,990 --> 02:53:05,520
not release these these photographs of

4446
02:53:09,110 --> 02:53:08,000
bill of podesta's 50th birthday party

4447
02:53:11,349 --> 02:53:09,120
and i think it was because bill and

4448
02:53:13,990 --> 02:53:11,359
hillary were dressed up like the x-files

4449
02:53:16,790 --> 02:53:14,000
from 27 years ago

4450
02:53:19,510 --> 02:53:16,800
i wanted i wanted to ask you the

4451
02:53:22,469 --> 02:53:19,520
reagan presidential library is down the

4452
02:53:26,070 --> 02:53:22,479
street yeah is it possible to make a

4453
02:53:27,670 --> 02:53:26,080
request to go in and read the files can

4454
02:53:29,670 --> 02:53:27,680
i ask them

4455
02:53:31,910 --> 02:53:29,680
i can can you point me

4456
02:53:34,150 --> 02:53:31,920
in the direction of the ufo stuff is

4457
02:53:36,389 --> 02:53:34,160
that possible and and i would point out

4458
02:53:37,750 --> 02:53:36,399
that the archivists my experience i i've

4459
02:53:39,910 --> 02:53:37,760
dealt with almost all the archives from

4460
02:53:42,389 --> 02:53:39,920
the various they're basically it's not

4461
02:53:43,750 --> 02:53:42,399
like the you saw the the

4462
02:53:45,349 --> 02:53:43,760
report from that we were talking about

4463
02:53:46,550 --> 02:53:45,359
tonight with all the blacked out stuff

4464
02:53:47,750 --> 02:53:46,560
these guys are actually really

4465
02:53:49,349 --> 02:53:47,760
interested

4466
02:53:50,550 --> 02:53:49,359
uh they're they're they'll you can go in

4467
02:53:51,910 --> 02:53:50,560
there and say i want to see the ufo

4468
02:53:53,429 --> 02:53:51,920
files they'll take you on a tour they

4469
02:53:55,190 --> 02:53:53,439
say oh there's this there's that go look

4470
02:53:56,950 --> 02:53:55,200
here they'll they'll actually pull all

4471
02:53:58,790 --> 02:53:56,960
the stuff for you and you can sit there

4472
02:54:01,110 --> 02:53:58,800
and ask them questions and they're like

4473
02:54:02,950 --> 02:54:01,120
they're just really interested historian

4474
02:54:04,710 --> 02:54:02,960
people that are really interested the

4475
02:54:06,550 --> 02:54:04,720
one guy from the carter administration

4476
02:54:08,630 --> 02:54:06,560
actually went to school with chip carter

4477
02:54:11,750 --> 02:54:08,640
and he maintained to me he said the

4478
02:54:14,150 --> 02:54:11,760
sighting the first there was 73 was bill

4479
02:54:16,710 --> 02:54:14,160
carter's ufo sighting and then there was

4480
02:54:18,309 --> 02:54:16,720
69 he said it was it was 67. he said

4481
02:54:20,070 --> 02:54:18,319
because i was with chip carter in high

4482
02:54:22,070 --> 02:54:20,080
school and he told me the story it was

4483
02:54:23,590 --> 02:54:22,080
before that and so we were actually in

4484
02:54:25,510 --> 02:54:23,600
the archives when the archives was

4485
02:54:26,950 --> 02:54:25,520
closed two hours later and we're talking

4486
02:54:28,630 --> 02:54:26,960
about all this kind of stuff and then

4487
02:54:30,389 --> 02:54:28,640
years later he actually sent me a

4488
02:54:33,590 --> 02:54:30,399
document i didn't even file for it he

4489
02:54:36,630 --> 02:54:33,600
sent me a document where um uh jimmy

4490
02:54:38,710 --> 02:54:36,640
carter had met with um what's the

4491
02:54:40,230 --> 02:54:38,720
grenade guy the guy that that was at the

4492
02:54:42,469 --> 02:54:40,240
un um

4493
02:54:45,510 --> 02:54:42,479
oh yeah anyway one of the caribbean guys

4494
02:54:47,110 --> 02:54:45,520
right he did a meeting and we know ufos

4495
02:54:50,309 --> 02:54:47,120
was discussed in the meeting and he

4496
02:54:52,550 --> 02:54:50,319
actually sent me carter's handwritten uh

4497
02:54:54,389 --> 02:54:52,560
file notes from there like that just to

4498
02:54:57,110 --> 02:54:54,399
point notes and they had discussed not

4499
02:54:59,750 --> 02:54:57,120
only ufos they discussed uh stuff like

4500
02:55:01,349 --> 02:54:59,760
like uh um witchcraft and stuff like

4501
02:55:03,429 --> 02:55:01,359
that or whatever they call

4502
02:55:04,950 --> 02:55:03,439
voodoo stuff right this is on the agenda

4503
02:55:06,790 --> 02:55:04,960
they talked about this kind of stuff so

4504
02:55:09,190 --> 02:55:06,800
you see these really interesting things

4505
02:55:11,590 --> 02:55:09,200
and you uh it's a fascinating place to

4506
02:55:13,110 --> 02:55:11,600
be just to go in there and uh these

4507
02:55:14,389 --> 02:55:13,120
people can answer every question they

4508
02:55:16,230 --> 02:55:14,399
know everything about the president they

4509
02:55:17,269 --> 02:55:16,240
can they know they'll know all the ufo

4510
02:55:18,630 --> 02:55:17,279
background they'll show you the

4511
02:55:20,469 --> 02:55:18,640
documents and stuff like that you can

4512
02:55:21,910 --> 02:55:20,479
even go to the the handwritten reagan

4513
02:55:23,030 --> 02:55:21,920
thing where they'll show you his actual

4514
02:55:25,110 --> 02:55:23,040
handwriting where he talks about the

4515
02:55:26,710 --> 02:55:25,120
alien invasion remark they're they're

4516
02:55:27,990 --> 02:55:26,720
very very interesting guys they're

4517
02:55:29,590 --> 02:55:28,000
they're they're just as interested to

4518
02:55:31,349 --> 02:55:29,600
try to figure out what's going on as you

4519
02:55:33,269 --> 02:55:31,359
and i there there's no cover-up going on

4520
02:55:35,510 --> 02:55:33,279
as far as i can see in a presidential

4521
02:55:36,950 --> 02:55:35,520
library there's historical people who

4522
02:55:38,870 --> 02:55:36,960
know everything about the president

4523
02:55:41,349 --> 02:55:38,880
they're working on it's it's right down

4524
02:55:42,309 --> 02:55:41,359
the street i didn't know it was that

4525
02:55:46,150 --> 02:55:42,319
easy

4526
02:55:48,550 --> 02:55:46,160
now yeah now can i make copies of stuff

4527
02:55:50,550 --> 02:55:48,560
that i find sure and you can you can you

4528
02:55:52,389 --> 02:55:50,560
can actually film it like now we just

4529
02:55:53,990 --> 02:55:52,399
film it so what i do when i go into an

4530
02:55:55,670 --> 02:55:54,000
archives is you haven't got time to read

4531
02:55:57,110 --> 02:55:55,680
anything so what i would when i went in

4532
02:55:59,110 --> 02:55:57,120
the clinton thing i would i'd have all

4533
02:56:00,950 --> 02:55:59,120
the files arranged that i'm pulling the

4534
02:56:02,389 --> 02:56:00,960
boxes or whatever and i would just sit

4535
02:56:04,870 --> 02:56:02,399
there and photograph as fast as i can

4536
02:56:07,590 --> 02:56:04,880
turn the page photo photo photo 404 so

4537
02:56:08,790 --> 02:56:07,600
you can do like in the at the um

4538
02:56:10,469 --> 02:56:08,800
the uh

4539
02:56:12,790 --> 02:56:10,479
friedman library i

4540
02:56:14,469 --> 02:56:12,800
was doing a thousand pages a day of

4541
02:56:16,150 --> 02:56:14,479
photographing your back it's pretty sore

4542
02:56:18,150 --> 02:56:16,160
but you just photograph everything and

4543
02:56:19,670 --> 02:56:18,160
then you read it when you get home so uh

4544
02:56:21,269 --> 02:56:19,680
but they'll pull everything for you if

4545
02:56:23,110 --> 02:56:21,279
you want they'll they'll pull if you

4546
02:56:24,389 --> 02:56:23,120
sound interested in ufos and reagan

4547
02:56:26,309 --> 02:56:24,399
they'll actually pull it you can sit in

4548
02:56:29,269 --> 02:56:26,319
the archives room there's almost nobody

4549
02:56:30,870 --> 02:56:29,279
in there and they'll uh you know let you

4550
02:56:32,550 --> 02:56:30,880
photograph it or

4551
02:56:34,469 --> 02:56:32,560
photocopy it or whatever it's faster to

4552
02:56:36,389 --> 02:56:34,479
photograph photograph it but it's a

4553
02:56:39,110 --> 02:56:36,399
fascinating place and and

4554
02:56:42,389 --> 02:56:39,120
i've been there i've been there now i i

4555
02:56:44,469 --> 02:56:42,399
want to go back i think i'm on a mission

4556
02:56:45,990 --> 02:56:44,479
and no i'm not even serious even if you

4557
02:56:47,990 --> 02:56:46,000
look at the stuff like one of the things

4558
02:56:50,630 --> 02:56:48,000
they had was the cartoons because you

4559
02:56:52,790 --> 02:56:50,640
remember reagan and nancy were into into

4560
02:56:54,150 --> 02:56:52,800
astrology and stuff so i was looking at

4561
02:56:56,150 --> 02:56:54,160
all this stuff on the paranormal

4562
02:56:58,150 --> 02:56:56,160
cartoons and it was like 2500 pages

4563
02:57:00,550 --> 02:56:58,160
again look at these cartoons for hours

4564
02:57:02,469 --> 02:57:00,560
of all these uh you know political

4565
02:57:05,269 --> 02:57:02,479
cartoons about reagan and his interest

4566
02:57:06,150 --> 02:57:05,279
in astrology and and her with the the

4567
02:57:07,670 --> 02:57:06,160
you know

4568
02:57:10,469 --> 02:57:07,680
predicting the what was going to happen

4569
02:57:12,309 --> 02:57:10,479
when he should be brought into you know

4570
02:57:13,910 --> 02:57:12,319
uh to office and stuff like this at

4571
02:57:15,750 --> 02:57:13,920
midnight and all this weird stuff there

4572
02:57:18,070 --> 02:57:15,760
was there's so many interesting things

4573
02:57:19,030 --> 02:57:18,080
there and it's a fascinating place to be

4574
02:57:21,349 --> 02:57:19,040
i've been there

4575
02:57:23,110 --> 02:57:21,359
three times i think to the uh the reagan

4576
02:57:25,349 --> 02:57:23,120
library plus you get to go you can go in

4577
02:57:27,429 --> 02:57:25,359
the air force once yeah you can i've

4578
02:57:31,429 --> 02:57:27,439
been in it i've been in it it's it's

4579
02:57:34,070 --> 02:57:31,439
unreal hey grant before i let you go

4580
02:57:37,190 --> 02:57:34,080
what is the update with stanton

4581
02:57:38,870 --> 02:57:37,200
friedman's uh collection

4582
02:57:40,950 --> 02:57:38,880
well i was going to go but because of

4583
02:57:43,510 --> 02:57:40,960
the covet thing i still may go back i've

4584
02:57:45,990 --> 02:57:43,520
actually got it where um

4585
02:57:48,550 --> 02:57:46,000
because they've got uh um rights i can

4586
02:57:50,710 --> 02:57:48,560
actually give anybody they that wants

4587
02:57:53,269 --> 02:57:50,720
with a click i've got it on a you files

4588
02:57:55,670 --> 02:57:53,279
uh uh you drive what do you call it one

4589
02:57:57,110 --> 02:57:55,680
drive so i've got six thousand pages of

4590
02:57:58,870 --> 02:57:57,120
the stanton friedman stuff that i did

4591
02:58:01,269 --> 02:57:58,880
when i was there i with a click of a

4592
02:58:05,590 --> 02:58:01,279
mouse i can give anybody access to it

4593
02:58:07,190 --> 02:58:05,600
and it's all now been um pdf'd so you

4594
02:58:09,030 --> 02:58:07,200
can read it very clearly i've got like

4595
02:58:10,710 --> 02:58:09,040
all the correspondence on lazar he had

4596
02:58:12,309 --> 02:58:10,720
huge collection on lazar he had the

4597
02:58:14,950 --> 02:58:12,319
court records he had the the records

4598
02:58:16,870 --> 02:58:14,960
with bob bigelow on the the company they

4599
02:58:18,630 --> 02:58:16,880
formed who had how many shares you know

4600
02:58:20,230 --> 02:58:18,640
all the correspondence with george knapp

4601
02:58:21,590 --> 02:58:20,240
and stuff like that and you really can't

4602
02:58:22,870 --> 02:58:21,600
use it because it's copyrighted by the

4603
02:58:24,950 --> 02:58:22,880
library but you can look through this

4604
02:58:27,190 --> 02:58:24,960
stuff so i'm going to go back again

4605
02:58:28,870 --> 02:58:27,200
maybe later on this year and again i'm

4606
02:58:31,750 --> 02:58:28,880
going to try to do as much as i can but

4607
02:58:33,269 --> 02:58:31,760
again it's a four-year wait so um i'll

4608
02:58:35,429 --> 02:58:33,279
go back and

4609
02:58:37,429 --> 02:58:35,439
photograph as much as i can and

4610
02:58:38,870 --> 02:58:37,439
hopefully within a couple of years get

4611
02:58:42,070 --> 02:58:38,880
all the material but you gotta remember

4612
02:58:44,630 --> 02:58:42,080
stan friedman stuff was 15 uh pallets

4613
02:58:45,750 --> 02:58:44,640
with with uh all these boxes

4614
02:58:47,510 --> 02:58:45,760
where's

4615
02:58:50,710 --> 02:58:47,520
where is it at now

4616
02:58:52,469 --> 02:58:50,720
it's it's at the archives at the uh um

4617
02:58:54,950 --> 02:58:52,479
new brunswick at the university of new

4618
02:58:56,550 --> 02:58:54,960
brunswick in the provincial library

4619
02:59:00,630 --> 02:58:56,560
which is uh

4620
02:59:02,309 --> 02:59:00,640
they do like court records and uh deaths

4621
02:59:03,990 --> 02:59:02,319
and marriages and all that kind of stuff

4622
02:59:05,990 --> 02:59:04,000
this is the only collection they've got

4623
02:59:07,670 --> 02:59:06,000
that that is not that kind of stuff and

4624
02:59:08,950 --> 02:59:07,680
the woman had to fight because they said

4625
02:59:11,190 --> 02:59:08,960
what are we going to do with ufo stuff

4626
02:59:12,550 --> 02:59:11,200
we're not in a ufo business and so they

4627
02:59:14,550 --> 02:59:12,560
put a lot of money they've got four i

4628
02:59:16,389 --> 02:59:14,560
think four full-time archivists working

4629
02:59:17,750 --> 02:59:16,399
on this collection for four years that's

4630
02:59:19,030 --> 02:59:17,760
a lot of money they're putting into this

4631
02:59:20,870 --> 02:59:19,040
thing and they had to go through because

4632
02:59:22,389 --> 02:59:20,880
stan didn't really put stuff in filing

4633
02:59:23,830 --> 02:59:22,399
drawers and stuff everything was just

4634
02:59:25,510 --> 02:59:23,840
pieces of paper and they've got to go

4635
02:59:26,469 --> 02:59:25,520
through every single piece of paper and

4636
02:59:28,070 --> 02:59:26,479
i've helped them and there's an

4637
02:59:29,110 --> 02:59:28,080
archivist in sweden that's helped them

4638
02:59:31,110 --> 02:59:29,120
as to

4639
02:59:33,190 --> 02:59:31,120
how to organize it who the people are i

4640
02:59:35,269 --> 02:59:33,200
had to sort of give them a background as

4641
02:59:36,630 --> 02:59:35,279
to who to look for roswell all the

4642
02:59:37,910 --> 02:59:36,640
different things because these people

4643
02:59:39,349 --> 02:59:37,920
know nothing about ufos and they're

4644
02:59:40,550 --> 02:59:39,359
trying to sort through this stuff and

4645
02:59:41,830 --> 02:59:40,560
they had all these like little notes

4646
02:59:43,190 --> 02:59:41,840
that stan would have like phone numbers

4647
02:59:45,030 --> 02:59:43,200
and stuff they said we should do this i

4648
02:59:47,110 --> 02:59:45,040
said put in a box don't throw it out and

4649
02:59:49,269 --> 02:59:47,120
so they're going through one piece of

4650
02:59:51,349 --> 02:59:49,279
paper at a time all these archives a

4651
02:59:53,429 --> 02:59:51,359
tremendous amount of money and time

4652
02:59:55,349 --> 02:59:53,439
being spent on this but he was so famous

4653
02:59:57,670 --> 02:59:55,359
in in in fredericton brunswick where

4654
02:59:59,269 --> 02:59:57,680
this archivist is that they actually

4655
03:00:00,950 --> 02:59:59,279
decided to spend all this money to get

4656
03:00:04,150 --> 03:00:00,960
the the collection there

4657
03:00:05,030 --> 03:00:04,160
thank you so much grant and uh when is

4658
03:00:07,990 --> 03:00:05,040
uh

4659
03:00:09,190 --> 03:00:08,000
the obama what book are you publishing

4660
03:00:10,870 --> 03:00:09,200
next

4661
03:00:12,309 --> 03:00:10,880
i i've actually got about five books

4662
03:00:13,510 --> 03:00:12,319
that are finished my assistant is now

4663
03:00:15,750 --> 03:00:13,520
moving so i don't know what's going to

4664
03:00:17,190 --> 03:00:15,760
happen whether when they'll ever get uh

4665
03:00:18,870 --> 03:00:17,200
published i got one on the ports i've

4666
03:00:22,070 --> 03:00:18,880
got the obama book

4667
03:00:22,870 --> 03:00:22,080
um and i've got um

4668
03:00:24,469 --> 03:00:22,880
uh

4669
03:00:25,910 --> 03:00:24,479
well there's there's five books that are

4670
03:00:28,070 --> 03:00:25,920
that are ready to go

4671
03:00:31,190 --> 03:00:28,080
and um to me it's just to document the

4672
03:00:33,110 --> 03:00:31,200
stuff but the the obama book i i i want

4673
03:00:34,469 --> 03:00:33,120
the the import book will be first the

4674
03:00:36,790 --> 03:00:34,479
stuff that happened in skinwalker ranch

4675
03:00:38,550 --> 03:00:36,800
the imports and manifestations the all

4676
03:00:39,990 --> 03:00:38,560
the parable stuff that happens in ufos

4677
03:00:42,070 --> 03:00:40,000
and stuff that appears and disappears

4678
03:00:44,389 --> 03:00:42,080
and how many people experienced it and

4679
03:00:46,870 --> 03:00:44,399
uh stuff like that and then the obama

4680
03:00:49,190 --> 03:00:46,880
book and um

4681
03:00:50,710 --> 03:00:49,200
we'll we'll go from there but there's um

4682
03:00:52,950 --> 03:00:50,720
i've got i've got a lot written i

4683
03:00:54,870 --> 03:00:52,960
basically spend most of my time just

4684
03:00:56,389 --> 03:00:54,880
trying to document the stuff that i've

4685
03:00:58,389 --> 03:00:56,399
that i've come across

4686
03:01:00,630 --> 03:00:58,399
grant thank you so much my friend

4687
03:01:02,790 --> 03:01:00,640
another great amazing night on fade to

4688
03:01:03,750 --> 03:01:02,800
black you are the absolute very best and

4689
03:01:05,990 --> 03:01:03,760
i mean it

4690
03:01:08,469 --> 03:01:06,000
and and on behalf of the community thank

4691
03:01:10,070 --> 03:01:08,479
you for all of your hard work seriously

4692
03:01:11,269 --> 03:01:10,080
thank you so much thanks for your

4693
03:01:12,230 --> 03:01:11,279
interest and thanks for you do you're

4694
03:01:13,510 --> 03:01:12,240
helping

4695
03:01:15,910 --> 03:01:13,520
raise the consciousness and that's what

4696
03:01:16,630 --> 03:01:15,920
it's about eventually uh we're going to

4697
03:01:17,910 --> 03:01:16,640
be

4698
03:01:19,429 --> 03:01:17,920
everybody's going to realize we played

4699
03:01:21,110 --> 03:01:19,439
in the super bowl of all stories and

4700
03:01:22,469 --> 03:01:21,120
we're going to be like famous it's going

4701
03:01:24,389 --> 03:01:22,479
to be like living at the time of jesus

4702
03:01:25,750 --> 03:01:24,399
like those people actually what's going

4703
03:01:34,309 --> 03:01:25,760
on

4704
03:01:37,190 --> 03:01:34,319
grant campbell learned to play a guitar

4705
03:01:39,349 --> 03:01:37,200
like you i'll talk to you grant cameron

4706
03:01:41,469 --> 03:01:39,359
everybody it's beyond presidential

4707
03:01:43,030 --> 03:01:41,479
ufo.com the links are at

4708
03:01:44,550 --> 03:01:43,040
jimmychurchradio.com and of course

4709
03:01:46,150 --> 03:01:44,560
there's twitter and facebook and

4710
03:01:48,469 --> 03:01:46,160
everything else and i want to give a big

4711
03:01:51,030 --> 03:01:48,479
shout out to nicole sakic she is the

4712
03:01:54,230 --> 03:01:51,040
absolute very best this is fade to black

4713
03:01:56,150 --> 03:01:54,240
now tomorrow night we've got a big show

4714
03:01:58,630 --> 03:01:56,160
lined up just like tonight with grant

4715
03:02:01,349 --> 03:01:58,640
cameron tomorrow night i've got three

4716
03:02:03,910 --> 03:02:01,359
guests i have jeff kingsbury i have

4717
03:02:06,309 --> 03:02:03,920
b smith

4718
03:02:08,150 --> 03:02:06,319
and john greenwald jr all tomorrow night

4719
03:02:10,630 --> 03:02:08,160
on fade to black

4720
03:02:12,230 --> 03:02:10,640
all right all right get ready for that

4721
03:02:14,070 --> 03:02:12,240
it's going to be a great night fade to

4722
03:02:16,230 --> 03:02:14,080
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4723
03:02:18,550 --> 03:02:16,240
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4724
03:02:21,030 --> 03:02:18,560
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4725
03:02:24,030 --> 03:02:21,040
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4726
03:02:25,830 --> 03:02:24,040
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4727
03:02:27,670 --> 03:02:25,840
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4728
03:02:29,349 --> 03:02:27,680
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4729
03:02:31,590 --> 03:02:29,359
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4730
03:02:33,910 --> 03:02:31,600
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4731
03:02:36,389 --> 03:02:33,920
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4732
03:02:38,309 --> 03:02:36,399
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4733
03:02:39,990 --> 03:02:38,319
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4734
03:02:41,910 --> 03:02:40,000
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4735
03:02:44,550 --> 03:02:41,920
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4736
03:02:47,510 --> 03:02:44,560
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4737
03:02:49,750 --> 03:02:47,520
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4738
03:02:54,470 --> 03:02:49,760
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4739
03:02:54,480 --> 03:03:12,550
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4740
03:03:12,560 --> 03:03:16,680
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4741
03:03:16,690 --> 03:03:28,150
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